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Re: [nas] Resurrecting the Florida debate by C. Lee Smith 11 August 2006 14:53 UTC |
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Ajax America supposedly were in talks to buy the then San Jose Earthquakes & develop a soccer stadium in the city. According to some, the group behind them in Orlando are now bankrupt.
I personally don't think Orlando will see an MLS team any time soon. Perhaps Miami in the future, even if the current USL Division One team is struggling with attendance.
Until then for Florida, it's MLS "spring training" during the off season in areas like Bradenton and games against various local colleges (e.g. USF, UCF, etc.).
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From: C. Lee Smith <mailto:cleesmith@matchnight.com>
To: NAS@americakicks.com
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nas] Resurrecting the Florida debate
A team in Florida should have been and still should be located in Orlando ˆ even if Disney is not involved.
On 8/11/06 10:09 AM, "Kevin Lindstrom" <klindstr@flash.net> wrote:
Same reason that San Jose got moved, and that Dallas might not have survived if HSG hadn't stepped up to the plate, etc. - no one was willing to own the team and put a SSS together. Horowitz (according to what was in the papers) wanted out - he didn't have the whatever (money, resources, willingness - don't know what specifically, but whatever "it" was, he didn't have it) to keep going.
What teams are you specifically talking about? Colorado - since then, has a new owner and a SSS will be ready next year. Kansas City? They have been working really hard to find a SSS spot and an owner, and may be moved if it doesn't work out. New York? Red Bull just put $100 mil into them and a SSS is apparently still on the way.
Remember, the difference between a non-SSS rented venue v. a SSS stadium is probably around $2 mil in losses v. breaking even or making money. At the time, the league had San Jose, Dallas and Tampa Bay as "league owned" teams struggling with those losses, which meant that Horowitz had to put in for those losses as well as his own. Obviously, momentum has changed significantly. HDC, PHP and TP are now fully operational motherships in addition to CCS, with at least the Rapids and Toronto FC venues coming on line next season and New Jersey on the radar screen.
Jeff Moore <mrmoore01@bluemarble.net> wrote:
Perhaps it is Friday and I'm just bored? It is also possible, that since
I grew up in the bay area, I am biased?
However, in looking at current MLS attendances and comparing them to
Miami and Tampa's........I have to say.....WTH is the difference and why
were these teams in so much "trouble" and current ones are not? Admittedly,
the Mutiny were better supported than Miami, but why ditch both>?
This has probably been discussed before in depth. However, my curiosity
got peaked again on this.
Explain it as below are the attendances for the Muntiny and Fusion:
Mutiny:
- 1996: 11,679
- 1997: 11,338
- 1998: 10,312
- 1999: 13,106
- 2000: 9,452
- 2001: 14,479
Fusion:
- 1998: 10,284
- 1999: 8,689
- 2000: 7,460
- 2001: 11,177
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