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FW: [nas] Hey Bruce -- p!ss off!
I had thought MLS had no choice but to treat green card holders the same
as citizens because of discrimination/employment laws. A green card
means you are entitled to work in this country on the same basis as
citizens, and to not hire someone because he is not a citizen is to
discriminate on the basis of national origin.
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Behalf Of Kevin Lindstrom
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:57 PM
To: NAS; Burn List
Subject: [nas] Hey Bruce -- p!ss off!
Deep in this wonderful article about the USA WC effort, you get a few
words from our boy Bruce.
On MLS's decision to allow green-card holders not to count as
international
players: "The green-card ruling is not in the best interests of the
national team. Look at Dallas. How many of those guys are Americans? But
that's life."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/grant_wahl/news/2002/09/19/
wahl
_mailbag/
You have a problem with exactly who now? Chris GBandi ought to be
considered for the US national team and Oscar Pareja loves the Burn more
than any player in this league loves their team -- and I challenge
anyone to show otherwise.
First off, let's answer your rhetorical question. Matt Jordan, Jason
Kreis, Paul Broome, Ryan Suarez, Bobby Rhine, Eddie Johnson, Chad
Deering -- of the ones getting regular or semi-regular pt. (I will
admit, I am not completely sure about Antonio Martinez.)
Second, what is the point? Where is the US player who isn't getting pt
because of those players? Granted, there could be a problem if you had
three SIs and eights players with green cards, but you don't have that.
Or what about your favorite player, Marco Etcheverry? You know, the one
who is now out of the playoffs -- again? Doesn't he have a green card?
And let's turn that around -- Marco has his kids here. What if they (or
other soccer-talented-parent-raised-kids) turn out to be as good as
their parents and want to play well for the US? Are you going to turn
them down because their parents weren't "born citizens"?
Last I checked, Bruce, this was supposed to still be the land of
opportunity, and what better way to develop and grow the talent base
than bringing in players willing to come to what used to be and to a
certain extent still is a second-rate but growing and developing league?
Do you think this league would be anywhere without El Pibe, El Diablo,
Leonel Alvarez, Mauricio Cienfuegos, Robert Warzycha, Carlos EFFIN
Llamosa!!!!, Jaime Moreno, Peter Nowak, Diego Gutierrez, etc.?
Or where would Landon have been if all he had to play against and with
while growing up in Cali were anglos?
It is a strength, not a weakness, @$$hole!
Someone might want to point this obvious blind spot to him -- good as he
is, it is this kind of idiocy that will keep the US from truly becoming
a world power. It really is that simple.
But hey. Lo que sea.
So Sez Drummer Boy http://flashpages.prodigy.net/klindstr/home.html
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To post, send an email to nas@americakicks.comFrom <nas-owner@americakicks.com> Fri Sep 20 10:14:45 2002
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--- big_dog@fastmail.fm wrote:
>
>
>
> DC's Alavanja injured in car acident
> http://www.mlsnet.com/content/02/dc0919alavanja.html
Ow, I know what a broken collarbone (aka clavicle)
feels like.
I hope that he has a speedy recovery and is back in
fine form for 2003. :)
Kirsten
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No, but I know a Barn Burner who is one.
Plus I read them a couple of years ago myself since I
was married to a Mexican.
--- Niall Swan <nialls@rcn.com> wrote:
> yup, for sure in other countries, and that sounds
> right for the US too.
> Thanks Kirsten - do we have an immigration lawyer in
> our midst ;-)
>
> Niall
>
> The Soccer Resort
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> Soccer Vacations in the Sun
>
>
>
>
> At 10:05 AM 9/20/02 -0700, Kirsten Tautfest wrote:
> >In the immigration statues, last I checked, there
> is a
> >clause stating that citizenship can be rushed for a
> >sports player.
> >
> >--- Niall Swan <nialls@rcn.com> wrote:
> > > Anyway, if a player is young, and he is good he
> > > could still play for the
> > > US. Three years after marrying someone (if he
> was on
> > > a green card) he can
> > > become a US Citizen. Or if not the marrying
> type, 5
> > > years after being here
> > > by himself, he can become a U.S. citizen. So, if
> I
> > > am 20, I could become a
> > > US nats player by 24-26 - lots of time to
> develop my
> > > game. So the door
> > > ain't shut!
> > >
> >
> >
> >=====
> >"We are loud. We are proud. We are from Chicago." -
> myself on Wild Chicago
> >re Section 8.
> >
> >"Playing with fire is bad for those who end up
> burning themselves. For
> >everyone else, it's a great pleasure."
> > --- Leon Daudet
> >
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But this is different, when representing your country. Just like you need
to be naturalized when you work for the department of state (albeit
representing at a different level).
This is the land of opportunity - but you gotta be American (legally at
least) to represent America!
Niall
The Soccer Resort
www.soccerresort.com
Soccer Vacations in the Sun
At 01:10 PM 9/20/02 -0400, Jack Kaufmann wrote:
>I had thought MLS had no choice but to treat green card holders the same
>as citizens because of discrimination/employment laws. A green card
>means you are entitled to work in this country on the same basis as
>citizens, and to not hire someone because he is not a citizen is to
>discriminate on the basis of national origin.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nas-owner@americakicks.com [mailto:nas-owner@americakicks.com] On
>Behalf Of Kevin Lindstrom
>Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:57 PM
>To: NAS; Burn List
>Subject: [nas] Hey Bruce -- p!ss off!
>
>
>Deep in this wonderful article about the USA WC effort, you get a few
>words from our boy Bruce.
>
>On MLS's decision to allow green-card holders not to count as
>international
>players: "The green-card ruling is not in the best interests of the
>national team. Look at Dallas. How many of those guys are Americans? But
>that's life."
>
>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/grant_wahl/news/2002/09/19/
>wahl
>_mailbag/
>
>You have a problem with exactly who now? Chris GBandi ought to be
>considered for the US national team and Oscar Pareja loves the Burn more
>than any player in this league loves their team -- and I challenge
>anyone to show otherwise.
>
>First off, let's answer your rhetorical question. Matt Jordan, Jason
>Kreis, Paul Broome, Ryan Suarez, Bobby Rhine, Eddie Johnson, Chad
>Deering -- of the ones getting regular or semi-regular pt. (I will
>admit, I am not completely sure about Antonio Martinez.)
>
>Second, what is the point? Where is the US player who isn't getting pt
>because of those players? Granted, there could be a problem if you had
>three SIs and eights players with green cards, but you don't have that.
>
>Or what about your favorite player, Marco Etcheverry? You know, the one
>who is now out of the playoffs -- again? Doesn't he have a green card?
>
>And let's turn that around -- Marco has his kids here. What if they (or
>other soccer-talented-parent-raised-kids) turn out to be as good as
>their parents and want to play well for the US? Are you going to turn
>them down because their parents weren't "born citizens"?
>
>Last I checked, Bruce, this was supposed to still be the land of
>opportunity, and what better way to develop and grow the talent base
>than bringing in players willing to come to what used to be and to a
>certain extent still is a second-rate but growing and developing league?
>Do you think this league would be anywhere without El Pibe, El Diablo,
>Leonel Alvarez, Mauricio Cienfuegos, Robert Warzycha, Carlos EFFIN
>Llamosa!!!!, Jaime Moreno, Peter Nowak, Diego Gutierrez, etc.?
>
>Or where would Landon have been if all he had to play against and with
>while growing up in Cali were anglos?
>
>It is a strength, not a weakness, @$$hole!
>
>Someone might want to point this obvious blind spot to him -- good as he
>is, it is this kind of idiocy that will keep the US from truly becoming
>a world power. It really is that simple.
>
>But hey. Lo que sea.
>
>So Sez Drummer Boy http://flashpages.prodigy.net/klindstr/home.html
>
>
>
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I think you're talking about a couple of different things.
In MLS Green Card holders do not count against the foreign player limit
(of 3). This is due to the labor laws of the US. If you have a green
card, then you are -- employment wise-- the same as a citizen. You can
work and live here.
Representing the US in national soccer matches has nothing, directly,
to do with the imigration or labor laws of the USA. The rules governing
who can play for what country are determined by FIFA.
Niall Swan wrote:
> But this is different, when representing your country. Just like you
> need to be naturalized when you work for the department of state
> (albeit representing at a different level).
>
> This is the land of opportunity - but you gotta be American (legally
> at least) to represent America!
>
> Niall
>
> The Soccer Resort
> www.soccerresort.com
> Soccer Vacations in the Sun
>
> At 01:10 PM 9/20/02 -0400, Jack Kaufmann wrote:
>
>> I had thought MLS had no choice but to treat green card holders the same
>> as citizens because of discrimination/employment laws. A green card
>> means you are entitled to work in this country on the same basis as
>> citizens, and to not hire someone because he is not a citizen is to
>> discriminate on the basis of national origin.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nas-owner@americakicks.com [mailto:nas-owner@americakicks.com] On
>> Behalf Of Kevin Lindstrom
>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:57 PM
>> To: NAS; Burn List
>> Subject: [nas] Hey Bruce -- p!ss off!
>>
>>
>> Deep in this wonderful article about the USA WC effort, you get a few
>> words from our boy Bruce.
>>
>> On MLS's decision to allow green-card holders not to count as
>> international
>> players: "The green-card ruling is not in the best interests of the
>> national team. Look at Dallas. How many of those guys are Americans? But
>> that's life."
>>
>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/grant_wahl/news/2002/09/19/
>> wahl
>> _mailbag/
>>
>> You have a problem with exactly who now? Chris GBandi ought to be
>> considered for the US national team and Oscar Pareja loves the Burn more
>> than any player in this league loves their team -- and I challenge
>> anyone to show otherwise.
>>
>> First off, let's answer your rhetorical question. Matt Jordan, Jason
>> Kreis, Paul Broome, Ryan Suarez, Bobby Rhine, Eddie Johnson, Chad
>> Deering -- of the ones getting regular or semi-regular pt. (I will
>> admit, I am not completely sure about Antonio Martinez.)
>>
>> Second, what is the point? Where is the US player who isn't getting pt
>> because of those players? Granted, there could be a problem if you had
>> three SIs and eights players with green cards, but you don't have that.
>>
>> Or what about your favorite player, Marco Etcheverry? You know, the one
>> who is now out of the playoffs -- again? Doesn't he have a green card?
>>
>> And let's turn that around -- Marco has his kids here. What if they (or
>> other soccer-talented-parent-raised-kids) turn out to be as good as
>> their parents and want to play well for the US? Are you going to turn
>> them down because their parents weren't "born citizens"?
>>
>> Last I checked, Bruce, this was supposed to still be the land of
>> opportunity, and what better way to develop and grow the talent base
>> than bringing in players willing to come to what used to be and to a
>> certain extent still is a second-rate but growing and developing league?
>> Do you think this league would be anywhere without El Pibe, El Diablo,
>> Leonel Alvarez, Mauricio Cienfuegos, Robert Warzycha, Carlos EFFIN
>> Llamosa!!!!, Jaime Moreno, Peter Nowak, Diego Gutierrez, etc.?
>>
>> Or where would Landon have been if all he had to play against and with
>> while growing up in Cali were anglos?
>>
>> It is a strength, not a weakness, @$$hole!
>>
>> Someone might want to point this obvious blind spot to him -- good as he
>> is, it is this kind of idiocy that will keep the US from truly becoming
>> a world power. It really is that simple.
>>
>> But hey. Lo que sea.
>>
>> So Sez Drummer Boy http://flashpages.prodigy.net/klindstr/home.html
>>
>>
>>
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http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/20/sports/ncaafootball/20VECS.html?tntemail1
An interesting bit from the article to stir things up:
Walton played both sports at the Bishop's School in San Diego --
football in the fall, soccer in the spring. He was all-state in football
as a senior, but received only one scholarship offer, from Fresno State.
So he enrolled at Notre Dame to play soccer, with the promise that he
could try out for football eventually.
He had 10 goals and 7 assists as a freshman, but said, with no trace of
brashness, that "college soccer was a step down" from club soccer.
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by are own Kevin Lidstrom,
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In a message dated Fri, 20 Sep 2002 9:04:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, SK131281@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com writes:
> THAT is what MLS needs to sell ! I think my ribs hurt just from seeing Bonseau (sp?) crash into the post.
>
Ouch, that one hurt and I was surprised he kept going afterwards.
> A cracker of a match - although the playoffs aren't quite the same w/out DCU.
>
I'll shed a tear for them...but only one. ;-)
> Importantly for the National Squad (maybe...), did Ben Olsen look damn good, or was it just me ?
>
Good to see that guy running at full speed again.
> Forza Crew from here on out !!
>
Naaaa.
Ed :-)
> ps - Those who say Robbie Fowler is the ugliest man in
> football have never seen Etch.
>
Why do you think they call him El Diablo?
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Subject: [nas] FW: Another Yank at Arsenal possible
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Karbasiyoon:
http://www.planetfootball.com/article.asp?id=109659&cpid=8&title=Danny+leani
ng+towards+being+a+Wenger+boy"/>
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Funny, he looks just like dono!
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Thanks for the link, Chris. Maybe no NFL teams will want to draft Shane
because of his size and soccer will have chance to get him back. But I
imagine he would rather try his luck as a walk-on at NFL camp than get
by on a P-40 salary.
Chris Hilton wrote:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/20/sports/ncaafootball/20VECS.html?tntemail1
>
> An interesting bit from the article to stir things up:
>
> Walton played both sports at the Bishop's School in San Diego --
> football in the fall, soccer in the spring. He was all-state in football
> as a senior, but received only one scholarship offer, from Fresno State.
> So he enrolled at Notre Dame to play soccer, with the promise that he
> could try out for football eventually.
>
> He had 10 goals and 7 assists as a freshman, but said, with no trace of
> brashness, that "college soccer was a step down" from club soccer.
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On 20 Sep 2002 at 10:14, Kirsten Tautfest wrote:
> Ow, I know what a broken collarbone (aka clavicle)
> feels like.
Me too, Kirsten. I broke mine about a year and a half ago, and it took me
2 months to be ready to go again (but I'm a lot older than Alavanja).
> I hope that he has a speedy recovery and is back in
> fine form for 2003. :)
Unfortunately for him and DCU, that's when it will have to be.
Cheers, Chris
Christpher S. Allen
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"back in fine form"
Was he ever?
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On 20 Sep 2002 at 10:14, Kirsten Tautfest wrote:
> Ow, I know what a broken collarbone (aka clavicle)
> feels like.
Me too, Kirsten. I broke mine about a year and a half ago, and it took me
2 months to be ready to go again (but I'm a lot older than Alavanja).
> I hope that he has a speedy recovery and is back in
> fine form for 2003. :)
Unfortunately for him and DCU, that's when it will have to be.
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In a message dated 9/20/2002 9:17:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> It might have been Seamus Malin(sp?) who said 'the FIFA rankings are good
> for one thing only--starting pub arguments.'
> I think his theory is holding up pretty well :)
That is about the most logical thing I've heard said during the whole
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FRIDAY - SEPTEMBER 20, 2002
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Live from Portland, OR.
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Subject: Re: [nas] Hey Bruce -- p!ss off!
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--- Casbahman@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 9/19/2002 8:58:08 PM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> klindstr@flash.net writes:
>
>
> > And let's turn that around -- Marco has his kids
> here. What if they (or
> > other soccer-talented-parent-raised-kids) turn out
> to be as good as their
> > parents and want to play well for the US? Are you
> going to turn them down
> > because their parents weren't "born citizens"?
>
[casbahman's response deleted because I want to
address something specific in the above section of
Kevin's original post.]
If Marco or any other player, green carded or not, has
children born in the US the United States considers
them United States citizens. There used to be a
period of waiting while that status was temporary
until the child was old enough (16 or 18) to make a
choice of citizenship I think but I do not know if
that is still in effect. Any child born in the US can
be considered elligible to play for the US NT programs
right up until he/she has chosen to play for another
countrie's national team.
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Chris Allen wrote:
> On 16 Sep 2002 at 21:48, Bill Quigley wrote:
>
> > At 07:46 PM 9/16/2002 -0700, Jay Hipps wrote:
> > >Somebody at MLS spent a lot of time putting this together...
> >
> >
> > Reminds me of the NFL playoff scenarios that you see in the papers late in
> > the season.
>
> I'm still waiting for an explantion for why it's not: 1) Points, 2)
> Goal Diff, and 3) Goals Scored.
My guesses would be:
1. Unbalanced schedule makes goal differential less useful (Of course it
also has the same effect on points).
2. Goal differential might be easier to manipulate (teams may find it
advantageous to intentionally allow goals to affect the playoff seeding
and face an opponent of their choice).
3. That's how the other leagues here do it.
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