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Re: [nas] Hey Bruce -- p!ss off!



First off -- apologies that I can't integrate my responses to the actual quote (my email prgram sucks).
 
Re: (1) -- name me 10 players who aren't playing in MLS because of players with green cards?  Heck, name me one.  Go by the Seattle Sounders or Rochester Rhinos -- if there really is this big issue out there, then surely on the two best teams in the A-League (genrally, anyway) there is a player or two who has lost their job to a green carded player... right?
 
So let me anticipate your answer a bit -- I think it is safe to say that there is not a real large concern, even in Dallas.
 
To compare where MLS is now to the NASL is more than a bit of a stretch, don't you think?  Even in Bruce's 'worst nightmare' of Dallas, over half the main players are US players.
 
Re:(2) -- if you want to develop potential, they have to play with players who know the game.  Even if you have all of the best USians come over, you still need more players who know the game and how to be professionals to make it work.
 
And quite frankly, to get cheesed off at someone because they buy into America enough to get a green card is a slap in the face.  I can tell you that Eddie Johnson and Ryan Suarez are going to be much better players because of Oscar Pareja -- so yeah, how much he loves his team IS important.  And I think the same will apply to Jordan Stone.  And if you don't know those names, then maybe you might want to look into the details of the potential that you want to develop.
 
Re: (3) -- name them.  More to the point, name the ones who are having their growth stunted.  And as someone who has watched Eddie Johnson develop very slowly -- partly because he was 17 when he joined the team, through no fault of his own except because he is damn talented -- I think it is also smart that he had to earn his spot.  And funny this, by taking it from another US player, Bobby Rhine.  (Cerritos' contributions to this season are mostly letting us get rid of Ariel so that Jason can be the player he was and a handful of starts, all enhanced by a great example of professionalism that I hope Eddie took careful notes of.)
 
Let's take another example -- DMB.  A great MLS player now, obviously one with talent worth of the MNT.  But when he started in MLS, he was as immature as they come.  Again, not through any fault of his own -- the guy was young.  Unfortunately for LA, they traded him right before he came into his own.  But do you think that DMB would be half the player he is now without Hristo and Peter?
 
Sure, pt is important.  But so is developing talent at the right pace.  It was good to see Bobby Convey score tonight (from a USian point of view -- certainly not from a Burn point of view) because since he joined the league and had a modicom of success early on, he has basically been non-existant.  I am sure that was real good for his development.
 
How many US players litter the landscape having been the "next great US soccer hope?"  Claudio almost succumed to it.  Luckily, Landon didn't, and hopefully he has enough of a supporting cast that he doesn't (he is still real young).
 
And no, Landon wouldn't be half the player he was if it weren't for two things -- San Jose's MLS season in 2001 and the time he got with the MNT in 2002.  Keep in mind, the difference between the Landon who played in Korea in 12-01 was nothing compared to the Landon that played in Suwon and Jeonju in 6-02.  I have no doubt that pt is important.
 
But so is the right leadership.  I think the images that will stick with me most will be the bookends of the US games -- Earnie and Landon.  Once before the Portugal match and once after the Germany match.  And funny that, Earnie isn't exactly 100% American, is he?
 
My point?  First, yes, I take exception to Bruce calling Dallas out as a bad example of anything.  We're not the best team in MLS, but we haven't missed the playoffs -- ever -- and have a championship to our name.  We're better than half the league this year and players like Oscar and Zarco are key components of that.  And yes, the Burn look to do quite a bit of developing talent over the next two to five years.
 
But the reason why I put this also on NAS is that I think it is very short-sighted of Bruce.  Let me rephrase something -- where exactly did the US get Carlos Llamosa?  Could it have been through a green card?  And while Diego Gutierrez has yet to make a serious dent in the US player pool, he isn't a slouch, either.  And I think it is also safe to say that many an MLS right wing and many an MLS forward have been bettered by playing against him.  (I wish I could raise the issue of Chris Armas with some authority, but I don't know if he carried a green card although I know he had that issue with playing for Colombia in an unsanctioned youth tournament.)
 
So until you have a group of US players -- at least one per team -- who aren't getting pt because of too many green card players, I think Bruce is being short sighted.
 
And yes, I do think that the divide between the middle-class, usually white-folk players and the foreign-born players is an issue that the Fed and MLS will have to address.  Your example of Landon is a perfect one here.  If you know Landon like a Qlash fan should, then you know he learned Spanish by playing with Hispanic players, not in a classroom or from family.  I think it is safe to say that a good bit of his playing style comes from that same education group.  Why do you think his vision is so sharp?  Why do you think the mental side of his game is so far ahead of so many US players?
 
And so I am worried about it as a fan of the US team.  We need players like Marcelo Balboa, Tab Ramos, Claudio Reyna, Landon Donovan, Carlos Llamosa, DMB, etc. -- players who were either not born in the US or were influenced by players who weren't born in the US.  By saying what he did, Bruce is either (A) showing his bias against Dallas, or (B) showing a bias against non-US-born players.  The former, while if true is frustrating to a fan of that particular team, is no real big deal -- every NT coach has teams they like and teams they don't.  The latter, though, worries me deeply because it belies a limiting attitude about player who in some situations will help the team directly, and others indirectly.  Once again, Carlos Llamosa.
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(1) Sheesh.  What's with the prejudice-jibe you are laying on Bruce? I thought he made a good point.  The more green-carded players taking jobs in MLS, the less there are for players who could develop into U.S. national teamers.  One of the problems with the NASL is that you had so few americans getting playing time.  Yes, there is no current national teammer not getting playing time because of a green-carded player, but that isn't his point.  He's worried about players with potential.
 
(2)  He doesn't need to be concerned about the level of MLS play nor how much some Dallas dude loves his team.  His concern, as *national team coach*, is to identify and help develop talented players for the U.S. player pool.
 
(3)  If a USian is riding the pine because a green-carded player is in the spot, his development will be stunted.  It is the equivalent of an Eddie Lewis going over seas and riding the pine for Fulham.  You develop more by getting pla! ying time than you do just practicing with a team in a bet ter league.  Where would Donovan be if he stayed in Germany?  Not on the WC team, imo.

Darrin