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I predict that Owen finally gets off his butt and scores today.
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From: Niall Swan nialls@rcn.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:48:40 -0400
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Subject: [nas] CL Prediction
Any predictions on Roma Vs Real today?
I'll go for Real 2-0 Roma...
Liverpool vs Valencia - 3-2 to a leaky Liverpool
Niall
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:55:43 -0700
To: NAS <NAS@americakicks.com>
Subject: [nas] US U17's v Uruguay FISF Final (R)
Uruguay 2 US U17's 0
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http://www.futbol.com.uy/mvdnews/hnnoticiaj1.cgi?936,0,0,20020916
Uruguay the Convincing Champion!
Header
The Uruguay U-17 Team left with the International Friendly Tournament Title
that recently took place in Italy, after overcoming the other finalist
United States by a score of 2-0. The winning goals were converted in the
first half by Juan Albin and Ivan de la Sierra.
This is a notable accomplishment for the Uruguay U-17 squed that is
currently preparing for the South American championship to take place next
year in Venezuela
Directed by "Polilla" Da Silva, they won 2-0 in the tournament final against
the United States through the goals of Juan Albin and Ivan de la Sierra in
the first half, a game played in the city of Gaeta's stadium.
Uruguay finished a great tournament once they consecrated it as champions in
convincing form. It is noteworthy to remember that in the tournament's first
phase Uruguay beat the local Italian squad through penalties after
equalizing the game 1-1 in regular time, then the Czech Republic (3-1),
Ireland (3-0), and then won the final against the United States (2-0).
The Baby Blue Delegation will be arriving in our country the 18th,
Wednesday, at 10:30 in the morning at the Internacional de Carrasco Airport.
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Subject: Re: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
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Yes, I am not sure Mathis has something most other players don't. Many
players get more aggressive on the field, and while Mathis has gone too far
this weekend, my view is that this is not enough to suggest psychotherapy
(maybe he needs it, no more than the rest of us). It seems like his Coach
is over-reacting. What about good old fashioned public loyalty, and an arm
around the shoulder behind the scenes.
Now Keane - there is a case for some "professional" help. But Mathis - not yet!
Niall
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At 08:48 AM 9/17/02 -0700, big_dog@fastmail.fm wrote:
>Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end
>sometimes. I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee
>surgery as well. And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the
>hardest goal for the US in Korea vs Korea. Think that was easy? I was
>there , it was not. Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza
>sense of behavior, but get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the
>buck to save his job and as anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond saving.
>BD
>
>>From: "billq@rcnchicago.com" <billq@rcnchicago.com>
>>Reply-To: billq@rcnchicago.com
>>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400
>>To: peter@lexandterry.com, nas@americakicks.com
>>Subject: RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
>>
>Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had. Back in May
>he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
>has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
>the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into effect.
>
>Original Message:
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>From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com
>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
>To: nas@americakicks.com
>Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
>
>
>
>By Ives Galarcep
>North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
>
>Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head
>in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response
>to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
>his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
>speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
>
>At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
>seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping
>on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano
>knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
>believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard that
>Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident, the
>coach finally spoke out.
>
>"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
>words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
>identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
>deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
>
>Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
>best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
>the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
>the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
>teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
>smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
>drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
>it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of
>his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
>
>"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behave
>the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to let him get
>away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the off-season
>with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
>
>Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
>
>"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
>bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's fine.
>We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
>
>Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
>persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
>Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
>not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, always
>willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
>toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some
>would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS
>match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U.S.
>national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
>suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game at
>the World Cup.
>
>"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
>and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The issues
>about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
>issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it and
>does something about it."
>
>There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's red
>card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulated
>six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much better
>with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 2001
>to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
>
>Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
>forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last year,
>but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano
>addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, which
>made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
>
>What can the Metros do?
>
>Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
>already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
>expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that he
>is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn't
>speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a
>stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sort
>of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior
>could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the case,
>Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more time
>arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
>receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.
>
>
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There are those who would disagree with the professional tag. :) That
being said, I know of Clint's past and he did score a cracker of a goal in
the WC, but since he has returned he really has seen his year go downhill,
with the knee injury, the frustration of not being sold overseas and now
this red card. True, OZ may be trying to justify maybe trading him after
the season (not to Chicago dear god), but still after seeing the evidence I
think that you have to be a little off your rocker to do what he did
Saturday.
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:48:33 -0700
To: nas@americakicks.com
Subject: Re: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end
sometimes. I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee surgery
as well. And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the hardest
goal for the US in Korea vs Korea. Think that was easy? I was there , it was
not. Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza sense of behavior,
but get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the buck to save his job
and as anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond saving.
BD
From: "billq@rcnchicago.com" <billq@rcnchicago.com>
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400
To: peter@lexandterry.com, nas@americakicks.com
Subject: RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had. Back in May
he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into effect.
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From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
To: nas@americakicks.com
Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
By Ives Galarcep
North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head
in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response
to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping
on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano
knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard that
Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident, the
coach finally spoke out.
"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of
his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behave
the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to let him get
away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the off-season
with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's fine.
We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, always
willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some
would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS
match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U.S.
national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game at
the World Cup.
"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The issues
about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it and
does something about it."
There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's red
card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulated
six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much better
with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 2001
to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last year,
but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano
addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, which
made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
What can the Metros do?
Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that he
is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn't
speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a
stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sort
of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior
could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the case,
Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more time
arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.
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Ah Bill- we all have peaks and valleys!! ;-)
At 11:54 AM 9/17/02 -0400, billq@rcnchicago.com wrote:
>I predict that Owen finally gets off his butt and scores today.
>
>Original Message:
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>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:48:40 -0400
>To: nas@americakicks.com
>Subject: [nas] CL Prediction
>
>
>Any predictions on Roma Vs Real today?
>
>I'll go for Real 2-0 Roma...
>
>Liverpool vs Valencia - 3-2 to a leaky Liverpool
>
>Niall
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Saw it last week - was training on adjacent field. Very nice indeed.
Mmmmmmm. Everyone was raving about it.
Niall
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At the stadium practice fields.
From: "Keith Bundy" <kdaleb@wsu.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:30:17 -0400
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Subject: [nas] Possible new DCU training center
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Where have they been training since they lost their old facility? (the one
that the church group bought)
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At the stadium practice fields.<BR>
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