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Re: [nas] Playoff scenarios
Yeah, it's really been a great season in a lot of ways. Bump in
attendance, no really embarrassing officiating (at least that I've seen),
some great play on the field, and a real dogfight for the playoffs.
Watching LA-San Jose the other night really felt like watching a real pro
league. Would be wonderful to see DC and NE pull out a last minute run and
get in.
Mike Babyak
--On Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:13 AM -0400 Keith Bundy
<kdaleb@wsu.edu> wrote:
> Who'd a thunk it...
>
> There is a real chance that DC & NE may make the playoffs while Chicago &
> the Metrostars miss out. That scenario seemed 110% unlikely even a few
> weeks ago. Not only that, but LA could end up with the Supporter's
> Shield, which San Jose seemed to have a stranglehold on. What a
> topsy-turvy season this has been.
>
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>From where I was in the stands it looked like he just stomped on alegria's
head. The ref doesn't have that great slo-mo instant replay that we have
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike boettge" <popeye_mb@hotmail.com>
To: <kdaleb@wsu.edu>; <nas@americakicks.com>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nas] Mathis 9/15 red card
> >From: "Keith Bundy" <kdaleb@wsu.edu>
> (Isn't that what Zidane got - a total of
> >three games - for his raking of the Saudi player in '98?)
> >
>
> Yes. He was ejected and then had to sit out the next two games besides.
And
> he didn't really even rake the guy. He just put a little extra downward
> pressure on as leapt over the guy on the ground. Just kinda stepped on him
> when he really didn't need to. I had to see it in slo-mo to really pick it
> up. Very sharp referee.
> I didn't see the Mathis incident though. I was watching Dallas/NE.
> MikeB,StL,Mo
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I usually try to keep a somewhat objective position when it comes to MLS as
a whole -- mostly in the realization that having a league is much more
important at this point than who wins -- but this piece by Viking hits the
nail on the head.
"Burn fans are tough. We take more official abuse than all the other teams
combined. We stick by our players because no one handed them to us on a
platter with no cap attached. We love our front office because they suffer
like we do. We play in the oldest stadium in the league, with the worst
amenities. We have no owner in a league that promised us one, and no sign of
that ending anytime soon. And the Burn make the playoffs ever year and make
the major market patsies look bad by comparison. I would not trade teams for
real money. You can screw us out of whatever you want, eventually you too
will hit a string of bad luck, and we'll be the ones dishing it out."
http://www.3rddegree.net/comment/fan/index.htm
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--- Chris Keem <chris@sportsvue.net> wrote:
> >From where I was in the stands it looked like he
> just stomped on alegria's
> head. The ref doesn't have that great slo-mo
> instant replay that we have
>
It wasn't a head shot. And the look/expression on
Mathis' face looked like he was stomping on Algeria's
stomach/chest was deliberate. Right in front of the
ref!
Anyone have photos of the cleat marks it might have
left?
Kirsten
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By Ives Galarcep
North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head
in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response
to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping
on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano
knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard that
Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident, the
coach finally spoke out.
"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of
his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behave
the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to let him get
away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the off-season
with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's fine.
We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, always
willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some
would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS
match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U.S.
national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game at
the World Cup.
"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The issues
about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it and
does something about it."
There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's red
card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulated
six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much better
with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 2001
to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last year,
but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano
addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, which
made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
What can the Metros do?
Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that he
is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn't
speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a
stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sort
of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior
could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the case,
Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more time
arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.
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Where have they been training since they lost their old facility? (the one
that the church group bought)
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Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had=2E Back in M=
ay
he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
the sport=2E Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into effe=
ct=2E
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry=2Ecom
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
To: nas@americakicks=2Ecom
Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
By Ives Galarcep
North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept=2E 17, 2002
Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head=
in disbelief=2E The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in respon=
se
to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D=2EC=2E United, or a result of see=
ing
his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further=2E Zambrano was left
speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control=2E
At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping=
on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly=2E Zambra=
no
knew better=2E He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to=
believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard tha=
t
Mathis called his stepping on D=2EC=2E midfielder Jose Alegria an accident=
, the
coach finally spoke out=2E
"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put in=
to
words what is wrong with Mathis=2E "I am not professionally qualified to
identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to=
deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over=2E"
Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
best described as maniacal at times=2E An easy-going and affable person of=
f
the field, Mathis switches from Dr=2E Jeckyl to Mr=2E Hyde on the field, w=
ith
the soccer ball serving as his full moon=2E He rails on officials, berates=
teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
smack in the face=2E Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
it=2E When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result =
of
his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion=2E
"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behav=
e
the way he does," said Zambrano=2E "We care about him too much to let him =
get
away with acting this way=2E We have to address this issue in the off-seas=
on
with a severity and a compassion that it deserves=2E"
Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him=2E
"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis=2E "That's fi=
ne=2E
We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it=2E"
Temperamental soccer players are nothing new=2E The stories of Roy Keane's=
persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled=2E But unlik=
e
Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
not=2E Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, alw=
ays
willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
toughest of losses=2E On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some=
would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS=
match=2E Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U=
=2ES=2E
national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game =
at
the World Cup=2E
"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said=2E "The iss=
ues
about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it a=
nd
does something about it=2E"
There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions=2E While Saturday's =
red
card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulate=
d
six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001=2E He did not do much be=
tter
with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 200=
1
to 2002 (six yellows and one red)=2E
Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates=2E Brazilia=
n
forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last yea=
r,
but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees=2E Zambrano
addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, whi=
ch
made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow=2E
What can the Metros do?
Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem=2E The team will
already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
expires after the 2003 season=2E The Georgia native has already stated tha=
t he
is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn'=
t
speed up it's contract talks=2E The anger management issues could become a=
stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sor=
t
of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives=2E The talk of bad behavior
could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors=2E Whatever the c=
ase,
Zambrano was at least right in one statement=2E Mathis cannot spend more t=
ime
arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
receiving cards=2E Even he would not argue with that=2E
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Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end
sometimes. I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee surgery
as well. And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the hardest
goal for the US in Korea vs Korea. Think that was easy? I was there , it was
not. Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza sense of behavior,
but get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the buck to save his job
and as anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond saving.
BD
From: "billq@rcnchicago.com" <billq@rcnchicago.com>
Reply-To: billq@rcnchicago.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400
To: peter@lexandterry.com, nas@americakicks.com
Subject: RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had. Back in May
he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into effect.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
To: nas@americakicks.com
Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
By Ives Galarcep
North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head
in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response
to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping
on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano
knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard that
Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident, the
coach finally spoke out.
"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of
his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behave
the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to let him get
away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the off-season
with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's fine.
We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, always
willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some
would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS
match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U.S.
national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game at
the World Cup.
"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The issues
about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it and
does something about it."
There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's red
card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulated
six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much better
with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 2001
to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last year,
but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano
addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, which
made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
What can the Metros do?
Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that he
is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn't
speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a
stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sort
of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior
could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the case,
Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more time
arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.
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Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end someti=
mes. I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee surgery as we=
ll. And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the hardest goal for=
the US in Korea vs Korea. Think that was easy? I was there , it was not. &n=
bsp;Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza sense of behavior, but =
get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the buck to save his job and as=
anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond saving.<BR>
BD<BR>
<HR ALIGN=3DCENTER SIZE=3D"3" WIDTH=3D"95%"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B>From: </B>"billq@rcnchicago.com" <billq@rcnchic=
ago.com><BR>
<B>Reply-To: </B>billq@rcnchicago.com<BR>
<B>Date: </B>Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400<BR>
<B>To: </B>peter@lexandterry.com, nas@americakicks.com<BR>
<B>Subject: </B>RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><TT>Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he ha=
d. Back in May<BR>
he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he<BR=
>
has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of<BR=
>
the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into ef=
fect.<BR>
<BR>
Original Message:<BR>
-----------------<BR>
From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com<BR>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500<BR>
To: nas@americakicks.com<BR>
Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
By Ives Galarcep<BR>
North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002<BR>
<BR>
Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head<=
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in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response<=
BR>
to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing<B=
R>
his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left<BR>
speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.<BR>
<BR>
At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match<BR>
seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping<=
BR>
on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano<=
BR>
knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to<BR=
>
believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard that=
<BR>
Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident, the=
<BR>
coach finally spoke out.<BR>
<BR>
"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could n=
ot put into<BR>
words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to=
<BR>
identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to<=
BR>
deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."=
<BR>
<BR>
Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be<B=
R>
best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off<B=
R>
the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with<B=
R>
the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates<BR=
>
teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or<B=
R>
smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since<BR>
drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of<B=
R>
it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of<=
BR>
his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.<BR>
<BR>
"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't b=
ehave<BR>
the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to l=
et him get<BR>
away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the off-season<=
BR>
with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."<BR>
<BR>
Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.<BR>
<BR>
"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is<B=
R>
bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "Th=
at's fine.<BR>
We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."<BR>
<BR>
Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's<BR=
>
persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike<B=
R>
Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is<BR=
>
not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, always=
<BR>
willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the<B=
R>
toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some<BR=
>
would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS<=
BR>
match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U.S.=
<BR>
national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and<BR>
suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game a=
t<BR>
the World Cup.<BR>
<BR>
"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back t=
hen<BR>
and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "=
The issues<BR>
about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an<BR=
>
issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it an=
d<BR>
does something about it."<BR>
<BR>
There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's red=
<BR>
card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulated=
<BR>
six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much bette=
r<BR>
with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 2001=
<BR>
to 2002 (six yellows and one red).<BR>
<BR>
Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian<B=
R>
forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last year=
,<BR>
but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano<BR>
addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, whic=
h<BR>
made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.<BR>
<BR>
What can the Metros do?<BR>
<BR>
Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will<BR>
already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract<BR>
expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that h=
e<BR>
is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn't=
<BR>
speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a<BR=
>
stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sort=
<BR>
of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior<BR>
could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the case=
,<BR>
Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more time=
<BR>
arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue<BR>
receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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But this problem preceded the SI cover by a long time. If you recall, he
was already a recognized loose cannon for the Nats.
--On Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:33 AM -0400 "billq@rcnchicago.com"
<billq@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
> Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had. Back in May
> he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
> has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
> the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into
> effect.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
> To: nas@americakicks.com
> Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
>
>
> By Ives Galarcep
> North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
>
> Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head
> in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response
> to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
> his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
> speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
>
> At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
> seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping
> on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano
> knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
> believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard
> that Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an
> accident, the coach finally spoke out.
>
> "Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put
> into words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified
> to identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he
> needs to deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is
> over."
>
> Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
> best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
> the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
> the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
> teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
> smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
> drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
> it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of
> his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
>
> "I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't
> behave the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to
> let him get away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in
> the off-season with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
>
> Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
>
> "Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
> bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's
> fine. We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
>
> Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
> persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
> Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
> not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team,
> always willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media
> after the toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer,
> and some would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very
> first MLS match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis'
> behavior with U.S. national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three
> years ago, and suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis
> starting only one game at the World Cup.
>
> "I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
> and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The
> issues about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that
> became an issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns
> up to it and does something about it."
>
> There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's
> red card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star
> accumulated six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not
> do much better with the national team, leading all players on total cards
> earned from 2001 to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
>
> Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
> forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last
> year, but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees.
> Zambrano addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's
> match, which made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
>
> What can the Metros do?
>
> Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
> already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
> expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that
> he is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS
> doesn't speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could
> become a stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros
> suggest some sort of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk
> of bad behavior could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors.
> Whatever the case, Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis
> cannot spend more time arguing than playing, and more importantly he
> cannot afford to continue receiving cards. Even he would not argue with
> that.
>
>
>
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Subject: [nas] MLS Playoff breakdown (PDF file version)
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Any predictions on Roma Vs Real today?
I'll go for Real 2-0 Roma...
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Uruguay 2 US U17's 0
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Yes, I am not sure Mathis has something most other players don't. Many
players get more aggressive on the field, and while Mathis has gone too far
this weekend, my view is that this is not enough to suggest psychotherapy
(maybe he needs it, no more than the rest of us). It seems like his Coach
is over-reacting. What about good old fashioned public loyalty, and an arm
around the shoulder behind the scenes.
Now Keane - there is a case for some "professional" help. But Mathis - not yet!
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At 08:48 AM 9/17/02 -0700, big_dog@fastmail.fm wrote:
>Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end
>sometimes. I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee
>surgery as well. And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the
>hardest goal for the US in Korea vs Korea. Think that was easy? I was
>there , it was not. Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza
>sense of behavior, but get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the
>buck to save his job and as anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond saving.
>BD
>
>>From: "billq@rcnchicago.com" <billq@rcnchicago.com>
>>Reply-To: billq@rcnchicago.com
>>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400
>>To: peter@lexandterry.com, nas@americakicks.com
>>Subject: RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
>>
>Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had. Back in May
>he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
>has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
>the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into effect.
>
>Original Message:
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>From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com
>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
>To: nas@americakicks.com
>Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
>
>
>
>By Ives Galarcep
>North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
>
>Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head
>in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response
>to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
>his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
>speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
>
>At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
>seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping
>on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano
>knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
>believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard that
>Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident, the
>coach finally spoke out.
>
>"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
>words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
>identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
>deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
>
>Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
>best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
>the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
>the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
>teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
>smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
>drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
>it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of
>his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
>
>"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behave
>the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to let him get
>away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the off-season
>with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
>
>Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
>
>"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
>bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's fine.
>We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
>
>Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
>persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
>Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
>not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, always
>willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
>toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some
>would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS
>match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U.S.
>national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
>suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game at
>the World Cup.
>
>"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
>and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The issues
>about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
>issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it and
>does something about it."
>
>There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's red
>card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulated
>six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much better
>with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 2001
>to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
>
>Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
>forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last year,
>but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano
>addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, which
>made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
>
>What can the Metros do?
>
>Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
>already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
>expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that he
>is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn't
>speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a
>stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sort
>of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior
>could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the case,
>Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more time
>arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
>receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.
>
>
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There are those who would disagree with the professional tag=2E :) That
being said, I know of Clint's past and he did score a cracker of a goal in=
the WC, but since he has returned he really has seen his year go downhill,=
with the knee injury, the frustration of not being sold overseas and now
this red card=2E True, OZ may be trying to justify maybe trading him afte=
r
the season (not to Chicago dear god), but still after seeing the evidence =
I
think that you have to be a little off your rocker to do what he did
Saturday=2E =20
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From: big_dog@fastmail=2Efm
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:48:33 -0700
To: nas@americakicks=2Ecom
Subject: Re: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end
sometimes=2E I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee sur=
gery
as well=2E And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the hardest=
goal for the US in Korea vs Korea=2E Think that was easy? I was there , it=
was
not=2E Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza sense of behavior=
,
but get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the buck to save his job
and as anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond saving=2E
BD
From: "billq@rcnchicago=2Ecom" <billq@rcnchicago=2Ecom>
Reply-To: billq@rcnchicago=2Ecom
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400
To: peter@lexandterry=2Ecom, nas@americakicks=2Ecom
Subject: RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had=2E Back in M=
ay
he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
the sport=2E Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into effe=
ct=2E
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From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry=2Ecom
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
To: nas@americakicks=2Ecom
Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
By Ives Galarcep
North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept=2E 17, 2002
Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head=
in disbelief=2E The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in respon=
se
to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D=2EC=2E United, or a result of see=
ing
his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further=2E Zambrano was left
speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control=2E
At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping=
on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly=2E Zambra=
no
knew better=2E He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to=
believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard tha=
t
Mathis called his stepping on D=2EC=2E midfielder Jose Alegria an accident=
, the
coach finally spoke out=2E
"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put in=
to
words what is wrong with Mathis=2E "I am not professionally qualified to
identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to=
deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over=2E"
Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
best described as maniacal at times=2E An easy-going and affable person of=
f
the field, Mathis switches from Dr=2E Jeckyl to Mr=2E Hyde on the field, w=
ith
the soccer ball serving as his full moon=2E He rails on officials, berates=
teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
smack in the face=2E Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
it=2E When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result =
of
his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion=2E
"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behav=
e
the way he does," said Zambrano=2E "We care about him too much to let him =
get
away with acting this way=2E We have to address this issue in the off-seas=
on
with a severity and a compassion that it deserves=2E"
Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him=2E
"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis=2E "That's fi=
ne=2E
We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it=2E"
Temperamental soccer players are nothing new=2E The stories of Roy Keane's=
persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled=2E But unlik=
e
Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
not=2E Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, alw=
ays
willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
toughest of losses=2E On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some=
would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS=
match=2E Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U=
=2ES=2E
national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game =
at
the World Cup=2E
"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said=2E "The iss=
ues
about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it a=
nd
does something about it=2E"
There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions=2E While Saturday's =
red
card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulate=
d
six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001=2E He did not do much be=
tter
with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 200=
1
to 2002 (six yellows and one red)=2E
Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates=2E Brazilia=
n
forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last yea=
r,
but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees=2E Zambrano
addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, whi=
ch
made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow=2E
What can the Metros do?
Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem=2E The team will
already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
expires after the 2003 season=2E The Georgia native has already stated tha=
t he
is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn'=
t
speed up it's contract talks=2E The anger management issues could become a=
stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sor=
t
of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives=2E The talk of bad behavior
could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors=2E Whatever the c=
ase,
Zambrano was at least right in one statement=2E Mathis cannot spend more t=
ime
arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
receiving cards=2E Even he would not argue with that=2E
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Ah Bill- we all have peaks and valleys!! ;-)
At 11:54 AM 9/17/02 -0400, billq@rcnchicago.com wrote:
>I predict that Owen finally gets off his butt and scores today.
>
>Original Message:
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>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:48:40 -0400
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>
>Any predictions on Roma Vs Real today?
>
>I'll go for Real 2-0 Roma...
>
>Liverpool vs Valencia - 3-2 to a leaky Liverpool
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>Niall
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Saw it last week - was training on adjacent field. Very nice indeed.
Mmmmmmm. Everyone was raving about it.
Niall
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At the stadium practice fields.
From: "Keith Bundy" <kdaleb@wsu.edu>
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Where have they been training since they lost their old facility? (the one
that the church group bought)
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