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[nas] Playoff scenarios
Who'd a thunk it...
There is a real chance that DC & NE may make the playoffs while Chicago &
the Metrostars miss out. That scenario seemed 110% unlikely even a few
weeks ago. Not only that, but LA could end up with the Supporter's Shield,
which San Jose seemed to have a stranglehold on. What a topsy-turvy season
this has been.
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Makes you think how the playoffs could turn out=2E Heck, at this point I
could see the Revs at the Cup final the way Twellman is playing=2E
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From: Keith Bundy kdaleb@wsu=2Eedu
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:34 -0400
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Subject: [nas] Playoff scenarios
Who'd a thunk it=2E=2E=2E
There is a real chance that DC & NE may make the playoffs while Chicago &
the Metrostars miss out=2E That scenario seemed 110% unlikely even a few
weeks ago=2E Not only that, but LA could end up with the Supporter's Shie=
ld,
which San Jose seemed to have a stranglehold on=2E What a topsy-turvy sea=
son
this has been=2E
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Yeah, it's really been a great season in a lot of ways. Bump in
attendance, no really embarrassing officiating (at least that I've seen),
some great play on the field, and a real dogfight for the playoffs.
Watching LA-San Jose the other night really felt like watching a real pro
league. Would be wonderful to see DC and NE pull out a last minute run and
get in.
Mike Babyak
--On Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:13 AM -0400 Keith Bundy
<kdaleb@wsu.edu> wrote:
> Who'd a thunk it...
>
> There is a real chance that DC & NE may make the playoffs while Chicago &
> the Metrostars miss out. That scenario seemed 110% unlikely even a few
> weeks ago. Not only that, but LA could end up with the Supporter's
> Shield, which San Jose seemed to have a stranglehold on. What a
> topsy-turvy season this has been.
>
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>From where I was in the stands it looked like he just stomped on alegria's
head. The ref doesn't have that great slo-mo instant replay that we have
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From: "mike boettge" <popeye_mb@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nas] Mathis 9/15 red card
> >From: "Keith Bundy" <kdaleb@wsu.edu>
> (Isn't that what Zidane got - a total of
> >three games - for his raking of the Saudi player in '98?)
> >
>
> Yes. He was ejected and then had to sit out the next two games besides.
And
> he didn't really even rake the guy. He just put a little extra downward
> pressure on as leapt over the guy on the ground. Just kinda stepped on him
> when he really didn't need to. I had to see it in slo-mo to really pick it
> up. Very sharp referee.
> I didn't see the Mathis incident though. I was watching Dallas/NE.
> MikeB,StL,Mo
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I usually try to keep a somewhat objective position when it comes to MLS as
a whole -- mostly in the realization that having a league is much more
important at this point than who wins -- but this piece by Viking hits the
nail on the head.
"Burn fans are tough. We take more official abuse than all the other teams
combined. We stick by our players because no one handed them to us on a
platter with no cap attached. We love our front office because they suffer
like we do. We play in the oldest stadium in the league, with the worst
amenities. We have no owner in a league that promised us one, and no sign of
that ending anytime soon. And the Burn make the playoffs ever year and make
the major market patsies look bad by comparison. I would not trade teams for
real money. You can screw us out of whatever you want, eventually you too
will hit a string of bad luck, and we'll be the ones dishing it out."
http://www.3rddegree.net/comment/fan/index.htm
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--- Chris Keem <chris@sportsvue.net> wrote:
> >From where I was in the stands it looked like he
> just stomped on alegria's
> head. The ref doesn't have that great slo-mo
> instant replay that we have
>
It wasn't a head shot. And the look/expression on
Mathis' face looked like he was stomping on Algeria's
stomach/chest was deliberate. Right in front of the
ref!
Anyone have photos of the cleat marks it might have
left?
Kirsten
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By Ives Galarcep
North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head
in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response
to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping
on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano
knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard that
Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident, the
coach finally spoke out.
"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of
his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behave
the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to let him get
away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the off-season
with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's fine.
We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, always
willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some
would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS
match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U.S.
national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game at
the World Cup.
"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The issues
about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it and
does something about it."
There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's red
card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulated
six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much better
with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 2001
to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last year,
but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano
addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, which
made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
What can the Metros do?
Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that he
is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn't
speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a
stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sort
of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior
could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the case,
Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more time
arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.
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Where have they been training since they lost their old facility? (the one
that the church group bought)
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Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had=2E Back in M=
ay
he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
the sport=2E Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into effe=
ct=2E
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From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry=2Ecom
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
To: nas@americakicks=2Ecom
Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
By Ives Galarcep
North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept=2E 17, 2002
Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head=
in disbelief=2E The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in respon=
se
to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D=2EC=2E United, or a result of see=
ing
his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further=2E Zambrano was left
speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control=2E
At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping=
on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly=2E Zambra=
no
knew better=2E He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to=
believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard tha=
t
Mathis called his stepping on D=2EC=2E midfielder Jose Alegria an accident=
, the
coach finally spoke out=2E
"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put in=
to
words what is wrong with Mathis=2E "I am not professionally qualified to
identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to=
deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over=2E"
Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
best described as maniacal at times=2E An easy-going and affable person of=
f
the field, Mathis switches from Dr=2E Jeckyl to Mr=2E Hyde on the field, w=
ith
the soccer ball serving as his full moon=2E He rails on officials, berates=
teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
smack in the face=2E Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
it=2E When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result =
of
his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion=2E
"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behav=
e
the way he does," said Zambrano=2E "We care about him too much to let him =
get
away with acting this way=2E We have to address this issue in the off-seas=
on
with a severity and a compassion that it deserves=2E"
Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him=2E
"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis=2E "That's fi=
ne=2E
We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it=2E"
Temperamental soccer players are nothing new=2E The stories of Roy Keane's=
persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled=2E But unlik=
e
Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
not=2E Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, alw=
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willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
toughest of losses=2E On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some=
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and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said=2E "The iss=
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issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it a=
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does something about it=2E"
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addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, whi=
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made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow=2E
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Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem=2E The team will
already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
expires after the 2003 season=2E The Georgia native has already stated tha=
t he
is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn'=
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speed up it's contract talks=2E The anger management issues could become a=
stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sor=
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of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives=2E The talk of bad behavior
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ase,
Zambrano was at least right in one statement=2E Mathis cannot spend more t=
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arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
receiving cards=2E Even he would not argue with that=2E
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Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end
sometimes. I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee surgery
as well. And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the hardest
goal for the US in Korea vs Korea. Think that was easy? I was there , it was
not. Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza sense of behavior,
but get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the buck to save his job
and as anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond saving.
BD
From: "billq@rcnchicago.com" <billq@rcnchicago.com>
Reply-To: billq@rcnchicago.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400
To: peter@lexandterry.com, nas@americakicks.com
Subject: RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had. Back in May
he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into effect.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
To: nas@americakicks.com
Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
By Ives Galarcep
North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head
in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response
to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping
on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano
knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard that
Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident, the
coach finally spoke out.
"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of
his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behave
the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to let him get
away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the off-season
with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's fine.
We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, always
willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some
would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS
match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U.S.
national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game at
the World Cup.
"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The issues
about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it and
does something about it."
There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's red
card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulated
six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much better
with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 2001
to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last year,
but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano
addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, which
made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
What can the Metros do?
Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that he
is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn't
speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a
stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sort
of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior
could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the case,
Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more time
arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.
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Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end someti=
mes. I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee surgery as we=
ll. And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the hardest goal for=
the US in Korea vs Korea. Think that was easy? I was there , it was not. &n=
bsp;Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza sense of behavior, but =
get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the buck to save his job and as=
anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond saving.<BR>
BD<BR>
<HR ALIGN=3DCENTER SIZE=3D"3" WIDTH=3D"95%"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B>From: </B>"billq@rcnchicago.com" <billq@rcnchic=
ago.com><BR>
<B>Reply-To: </B>billq@rcnchicago.com<BR>
<B>Date: </B>Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400<BR>
<B>To: </B>peter@lexandterry.com, nas@americakicks.com<BR>
<B>Subject: </B>RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><TT>Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he ha=
d. Back in May<BR>
he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he<BR=
>
has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of<BR=
>
the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into ef=
fect.<BR>
<BR>
Original Message:<BR>
-----------------<BR>
From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com<BR>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500<BR>
To: nas@americakicks.com<BR>
Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
By Ives Galarcep<BR>
North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002<BR>
<BR>
Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head<=
BR>
in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response<=
BR>
to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing<B=
R>
his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left<BR>
speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.<BR>
<BR>
At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match<BR>
seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping<=
BR>
on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano<=
BR>
knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to<BR=
>
believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard that=
<BR>
Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident, the=
<BR>
coach finally spoke out.<BR>
<BR>
"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could n=
ot put into<BR>
words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to=
<BR>
identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to<=
BR>
deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."=
<BR>
<BR>
Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be<B=
R>
best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off<B=
R>
the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with<B=
R>
the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates<BR=
>
teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or<B=
R>
smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since<BR>
drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of<B=
R>
it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of<=
BR>
his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.<BR>
<BR>
"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't b=
ehave<BR>
the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to l=
et him get<BR>
away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the off-season<=
BR>
with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."<BR>
<BR>
Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.<BR>
<BR>
"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is<B=
R>
bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "Th=
at's fine.<BR>
We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."<BR>
<BR>
Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's<BR=
>
persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike<B=
R>
Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is<BR=
>
not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, always=
<BR>
willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the<B=
R>
toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some<BR=
>
would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS<=
BR>
match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U.S.=
<BR>
national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and<BR>
suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game a=
t<BR>
the World Cup.<BR>
<BR>
"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back t=
hen<BR>
and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "=
The issues<BR>
about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an<BR=
>
issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it an=
d<BR>
does something about it."<BR>
<BR>
There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's red=
<BR>
card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulated=
<BR>
six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much bette=
r<BR>
with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 2001=
<BR>
to 2002 (six yellows and one red).<BR>
<BR>
Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian<B=
R>
forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last year=
,<BR>
but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano<BR>
addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, whic=
h<BR>
made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.<BR>
<BR>
What can the Metros do?<BR>
<BR>
Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will<BR>
already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract<BR>
expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that h=
e<BR>
is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn't=
<BR>
speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a<BR=
>
stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sort=
<BR>
of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior<BR>
could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the case=
,<BR>
Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more time=
<BR>
arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue<BR>
receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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But this problem preceded the SI cover by a long time. If you recall, he
was already a recognized loose cannon for the Nats.
--On Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:33 AM -0400 "billq@rcnchicago.com"
<billq@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
> Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had. Back in May
> he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
> has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
> the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into
> effect.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
> To: nas@americakicks.com
> Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
>
>
> By Ives Galarcep
> North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
>
> Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head
> in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response
> to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
> his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
> speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
>
> At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
> seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping
> on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano
> knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
> believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard
> that Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an
> accident, the coach finally spoke out.
>
> "Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put
> into words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified
> to identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he
> needs to deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is
> over."
>
> Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
> best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
> the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
> the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
> teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
> smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
> drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
> it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of
> his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
>
> "I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't
> behave the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to
> let him get away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in
> the off-season with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
>
> Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
>
> "Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
> bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's
> fine. We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
>
> Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
> persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
> Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
> not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team,
> always willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media
> after the toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer,
> and some would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very
> first MLS match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis'
> behavior with U.S. national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three
> years ago, and suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis
> starting only one game at the World Cup.
>
> "I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
> and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The
> issues about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that
> became an issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns
> up to it and does something about it."
>
> There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's
> red card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star
> accumulated six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not
> do much better with the national team, leading all players on total cards
> earned from 2001 to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
>
> Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
> forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last
> year, but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees.
> Zambrano addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's
> match, which made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
>
> What can the Metros do?
>
> Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
> already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
> expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that
> he is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS
> doesn't speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could
> become a stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros
> suggest some sort of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk
> of bad behavior could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors.
> Whatever the case, Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis
> cannot spend more time arguing than playing, and more importantly he
> cannot afford to continue receiving cards. Even he would not argue with
> that.
>
>
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Any predictions on Roma Vs Real today?
I'll go for Real 2-0 Roma...
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Any predictions on Roma Vs Real today?
I'll go for Real 2-0 Roma=2E=2E=2E
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Uruguay 2 US U17's 0
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Uruguay the Convincing Champion!
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equalizing the game 1-1 in regular time, then the Czech Republic (3-1),
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Yes, I am not sure Mathis has something most other players don't. Many
players get more aggressive on the field, and while Mathis has gone too far
this weekend, my view is that this is not enough to suggest psychotherapy
(maybe he needs it, no more than the rest of us). It seems like his Coach
is over-reacting. What about good old fashioned public loyalty, and an arm
around the shoulder behind the scenes.
Now Keane - there is a case for some "professional" help. But Mathis - not yet!
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At 08:48 AM 9/17/02 -0700, big_dog@fastmail.fm wrote:
>Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end
>sometimes. I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee
>surgery as well. And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the
>hardest goal for the US in Korea vs Korea. Think that was easy? I was
>there , it was not. Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza
>sense of behavior, but get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the
>buck to save his job and as anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond saving.
>BD
>
>>From: "billq@rcnchicago.com" <billq@rcnchicago.com>
>>Reply-To: billq@rcnchicago.com
>>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400
>>To: peter@lexandterry.com, nas@americakicks.com
>>Subject: RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
>>
>Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had. Back in May
>he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
>has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
>the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into effect.
>
>Original Message:
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>From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com
>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
>To: nas@americakicks.com
>Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
>
>
>
>By Ives Galarcep
>North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
>
>Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head
>in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in response
>to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
>his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
>speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
>
>At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
>seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping
>on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly. Zambrano
>knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
>believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard that
>Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident, the
>coach finally spoke out.
>
>"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
>words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
>identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
>deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
>
>Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
>best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
>the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
>the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
>teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
>smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
>drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
>it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result of
>his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
>
>"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behave
>the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to let him get
>away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the off-season
>with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
>
>Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
>
>"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
>bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's fine.
>We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
>
>Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
>persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
>Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
>not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, always
>willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
>toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some
>would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS
>match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U.S.
>national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
>suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game at
>the World Cup.
>
>"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
>and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The issues
>about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
>issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it and
>does something about it."
>
>There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's red
>card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulated
>six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much better
>with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 2001
>to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
>
>Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
>forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last year,
>but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano
>addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, which
>made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
>
>What can the Metros do?
>
>Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
>already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
>expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that he
>is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn't
>speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a
>stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sort
>of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior
>could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the case,
>Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more time
>arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
>receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.
>
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There are those who would disagree with the professional tag=2E :) That
being said, I know of Clint's past and he did score a cracker of a goal in=
the WC, but since he has returned he really has seen his year go downhill,=
with the knee injury, the frustration of not being sold overseas and now
this red card=2E True, OZ may be trying to justify maybe trading him afte=
r
the season (not to Chicago dear god), but still after seeing the evidence =
I
think that you have to be a little off your rocker to do what he did
Saturday=2E =20
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From: big_dog@fastmail=2Efm
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:48:33 -0700
To: nas@americakicks=2Ecom
Subject: Re: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end
sometimes=2E I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee sur=
gery
as well=2E And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the hardest=
goal for the US in Korea vs Korea=2E Think that was easy? I was there , it=
was
not=2E Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza sense of behavior=
,
but get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the buck to save his job
and as anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond saving=2E
BD
From: "billq@rcnchicago=2Ecom" <billq@rcnchicago=2Ecom>
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400
To: peter@lexandterry=2Ecom, nas@americakicks=2Ecom
Subject: RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had=2E Back in M=
ay
he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
the sport=2E Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into effe=
ct=2E
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From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry=2Ecom
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
To: nas@americakicks=2Ecom
Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
By Ives Galarcep
North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept=2E 17, 2002
Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his head=
in disbelief=2E The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in respon=
se
to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D=2EC=2E United, or a result of see=
ing
his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further=2E Zambrano was left
speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control=2E
At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally stepping=
on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly=2E Zambra=
no
knew better=2E He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to=
believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard tha=
t
Mathis called his stepping on D=2EC=2E midfielder Jose Alegria an accident=
, the
coach finally spoke out=2E
"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put in=
to
words what is wrong with Mathis=2E "I am not professionally qualified to
identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to=
deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over=2E"
Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
best described as maniacal at times=2E An easy-going and affable person of=
f
the field, Mathis switches from Dr=2E Jeckyl to Mr=2E Hyde on the field, w=
ith
the soccer ball serving as his full moon=2E He rails on officials, berates=
teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
smack in the face=2E Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
it=2E When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result =
of
his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion=2E
"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't behav=
e
the way he does," said Zambrano=2E "We care about him too much to let him =
get
away with acting this way=2E We have to address this issue in the off-seas=
on
with a severity and a compassion that it deserves=2E"
Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him=2E
"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis=2E "That's fi=
ne=2E
We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it=2E"
Temperamental soccer players are nothing new=2E The stories of Roy Keane's=
persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled=2E But unlik=
e
Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
not=2E Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team, alw=
ays
willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
toughest of losses=2E On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some=
would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first MLS=
match=2E Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with U=
=2ES=2E
national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game =
at
the World Cup=2E
"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said=2E "The iss=
ues
about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it a=
nd
does something about it=2E"
There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions=2E While Saturday's =
red
card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star accumulate=
d
six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001=2E He did not do much be=
tter
with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from 200=
1
to 2002 (six yellows and one red)=2E
Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates=2E Brazilia=
n
forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last yea=
r,
but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees=2E Zambrano
addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match, whi=
ch
made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow=2E
What can the Metros do?
Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem=2E The team will
already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
expires after the 2003 season=2E The Georgia native has already stated tha=
t he
is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS doesn'=
t
speed up it's contract talks=2E The anger management issues could become a=
stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some sor=
t
of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives=2E The talk of bad behavior
could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors=2E Whatever the c=
ase,
Zambrano was at least right in one statement=2E Mathis cannot spend more t=
ime
arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
receiving cards=2E Even he would not argue with that=2E
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Ah Bill- we all have peaks and valleys!! ;-)
At 11:54 AM 9/17/02 -0400, billq@rcnchicago.com wrote:
>I predict that Owen finally gets off his butt and scores today.
>
>Original Message:
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>From: Niall Swan nialls@rcn.com
>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:48:40 -0400
>To: nas@americakicks.com
>Subject: [nas] CL Prediction
>
>
>Any predictions on Roma Vs Real today?
>
>I'll go for Real 2-0 Roma...
>
>Liverpool vs Valencia - 3-2 to a leaky Liverpool
>
>Niall
>
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Saw it last week - was training on adjacent field. Very nice indeed.
Mmmmmmm. Everyone was raving about it.
Niall
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At 08:26 AM 9/17/02 -0700, you wrote:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/17/sports/soccer/17SOCCER.html?tntemail1
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At the stadium practice fields.
From: "Keith Bundy" <kdaleb@wsu.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:30:17 -0400
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Subject: [nas] Possible new DCU training center
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26627-2002Sep16.html
Where have they been training since they lost their old facility? (the one
that the church group bought)
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At the stadium practice fields.<BR>
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>Saw it last week - was training on adjacent field. Very nice indeed.
>Mmmmmmm. Everyone was raving about it.
Some pictures here:
http://www.redstormsports.com/pls/portal30/retreive_img_data?img_id=2537
http://www.redstormsports.com/pls/portal30/retreive_img_data?img_id=2538
http://www.redstormsports.com/pls/portal30/retreive_img_data?img_id=2539
http://www.redstormsports.com/pls/portal30/retreive_img_data?img_id=2540
http://www.redstormsports.com/pls/portal30/retreive_img_data?img_id=2541
-Evan
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Rimando named player of the week
http://www.mlsnet.com/content/02/pow0916rimando.html
MLS Newsstand 09-17 (10)
http://www.mlsnet.com/content/02/mls0917newsstand.html
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Amen. Geez, I cannot believe this thread.
Jeff
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> Yes, I am not sure Mathis has something most other players don't. Many
> players get more aggressive on the field, and while Mathis has gone too
far
> this weekend, my view is that this is not enough to suggest psychotherapy
> (maybe he needs it, no more than the rest of us). It seems like his Coach
> is over-reacting. What about good old fashioned public loyalty, and an arm
> around the shoulder behind the scenes.
>
> Now Keane - there is a case for some "professional" help. But Mathis - not
yet!
>
> Niall
>
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>
>
>
>
> At 08:48 AM 9/17/02 -0700, big_dog@fastmail.fm wrote:
> >Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end
> >sometimes. I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee
> >surgery as well. And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the
> >hardest goal for the US in Korea vs Korea. Think that was easy? I was
> >there , it was not. Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza
> >sense of behavior, but get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the
> >buck to save his job and as anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond
saving.
> >BD
> >
> >>From: "billq@rcnchicago.com" <billq@rcnchicago.com>
> >>Reply-To: billq@rcnchicago.com
> >>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400
> >>To: peter@lexandterry.com, nas@americakicks.com
> >>Subject: RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
> >>
> >Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had. Back in
May
> >he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
> >has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
> >the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into
effect.
> >
> >Original Message:
> >-----------------
> >From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com
> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
> >To: nas@americakicks.com
> >Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
> >
> >
> >
> >By Ives Galarcep
> >North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
> >
> >Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his
head
> >in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in
response
> >to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
> >his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
> >speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
> >
> >At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
> >seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally
stepping
> >on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly.
Zambrano
> >knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
> >believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard
that
> >Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident,
the
> >coach finally spoke out.
> >
> >"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put
into
> >words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
> >identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs
to
> >deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
> >
> >Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
> >best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
> >the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
> >the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
> >teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
> >smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
> >drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
> >it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result
of
> >his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
> >
> >"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't
behave
> >the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to let him
get
> >away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the
off-season
> >with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
> >
> >Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
> >
> >"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
> >bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's
fine.
> >We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
> >
> >Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
> >persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
> >Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
> >not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team,
always
> >willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
> >toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some
> >would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first
MLS
> >match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with
U.S.
> >national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
> >suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game
at
> >the World Cup.
> >
> >"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
> >and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The
issues
> >about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
> >issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it
and
> >does something about it."
> >
> >There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's
red
> >card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star
accumulated
> >six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much
better
> >with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from
2001
> >to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
> >
> >Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
> >forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last
year,
> >but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano
> >addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match,
which
> >made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
> >
> >What can the Metros do?
> >
> >Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
> >already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
> >expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that
he
> >is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS
doesn't
> >speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a
> >stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some
sort
> >of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior
> >could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the
case,
> >Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more
time
> >arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
> >receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.
> >
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In a message dated 9/17/2002 11:20:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
peter@lexandterry.com writes:
> "Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
> words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
> identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
> deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
>
This is one of the many reasons why Zambrano will not be coaching the
Metrostars next season. He did the same thing with Diallo earlier this
season. The pressure of winning seems to be too much for OZ he needs a rest.
Have a problem with a player take him a side privately, and talk to him about
it. You don't say anything about one of your players to the press that could
hurt the player. All the press want is a story.
That foul was stupid, but it certainly wasn't vicious. Another official could
have given him a yellow, and not a red. He should be given a one game
suspension, and not more then that. That DC player was not injured. Mathis
wound up standing between the players legs after the players slide tackle if
I am remembering right. I wonder if the Metrostars will bring that up at the
arbitration hearing.
That problem I have with Mathis is that he talks to much on the field. He
gets cards for that, just as Ramos got cards for doing that most of career
except with the national team. Ramos has been very quiet this year.
On that game, it was an important game. Then why would Oz not start Andy
Williams in that game? He can pass, he is quick and he can beat people off
the dribble. Play Williams, Ramos, and Mathis on the same field at the same
time. Was Williams injured? That would be the only reason not to play
Williams. Plus Williams works well with Diallo.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/17/2002 11:20:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, peter@lexandterry.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
<BR>words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
<BR>identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
<BR>deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
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<BR>This is one of the many reasons why Zambrano will not be coaching the Metrostars next season. He did the same thing with Diallo earlier this season. The pressure of winning seems to be too much for OZ he needs a rest.
<BR>
<BR>Have a problem with a player take him a side privately, and talk to him about it. You don't say anything about one of your players to the press that could hurt the player. All the press want is a story.
<BR>
<BR>That foul was stupid, but it certainly wasn't vicious. Another official could have given him a yellow, and not a red. He should be given a one game suspension, and not more then that. That DC player was not injured. Mathis wound up standing between the players legs after the players slide tackle if I am remembering right. I wonder if the Metrostars will bring that up at the arbitration hearing.
<BR>
<BR>That problem I have with Mathis is that he talks to much on the field. He gets cards for that, just as Ramos got cards for doing that most of career except with the national team. Ramos has been very quiet this year.
<BR>
<BR>On that game, it was an important game. Then why would Oz not start Andy Williams in that game? He can pass, he is quick and he can beat people off the dribble. Play Williams, Ramos, and Mathis on the same field at the same time. Was Williams injured? That would be the only reason not to play Williams. Plus Williams works well with Diallo.
<BR>
<BR>Richie
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Guys, I didn't mean to imply that Clint had mental health problems=2E Tho=
se
who know me well know that I am supersensitive to that=2E Once I had a
chance to review what I wrote (done in a hurried break this morning), I
think that the spirit of my remarks got me in trouble=2E Again, I think t=
hat
Clint has been racked with bad luck since the WC, but he is by far not
needing to see a shrink for his problems=2E An attitude adjustment on the=
field perhaps, but not mental helath treatments=2E Sorry if I stepped on =
any
toes out here=2E
Bill Q=2E
Original Message:
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From: MrMoore mrmoore01@prodigy=2Enet
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:00:27 -0500
To: big_dog@fastmail=2Efm, nas@americakicks=2Ecom, nialls@rcn=2Ecom
Subject: Re: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
Amen=2E Geez, I cannot believe this thread=2E
Jeff
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From: "Niall Swan" <nialls@rcn=2Ecom>
To: <big_dog@fastmail=2Efm>; <nas@americakicks=2Ecom>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
> Yes, I am not sure Mathis has something most other players don't=2E Many=
> players get more aggressive on the field, and while Mathis has gone too
far
> this weekend, my view is that this is not enough to suggest psychotherap=
y
> (maybe he needs it, no more than the rest of us)=2E It seems like his Co=
ach
> is over-reacting=2E What about good old fashioned public loyalty, and an=
arm
> around the shoulder behind the scenes=2E
>
> Now Keane - there is a case for some "professional" help=2E But Mathis -=
not
yet!
>
> Niall
>
> The Soccer Resort
> www=2Esoccerresort=2Ecom
>
>
>
>
> At 08:48 AM 9/17/02 -0700, big_dog@fastmail=2Efm wrote:
> >Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end
> >sometimes=2E I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee
> >surgery as well=2E And despite the major one, some may argue he scored =
the
> >hardest goal for the US in Korea vs Korea=2E Think that was easy? I was=
> >there , it was not=2E Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza=
> >sense of behavior, but get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the=
> >buck to save his job and as anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond
saving=2E
> >BD
> >
> >>From: "billq@rcnchicago=2Ecom" <billq@rcnchicago=2Ecom>
> >>Reply-To: billq@rcnchicago=2Ecom
> >>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400
> >>To: peter@lexandterry=2Ecom, nas@americakicks=2Ecom
> >>Subject: RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
> >>
> >Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had=2E Back i=
n
May
> >he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then h=
e
> >has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling o=
f
> >the sport=2E Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into
effect=2E
> >
> >Original Message:
> >-----------------
> >From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry=2Ecom
> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
> >To: nas@americakicks=2Ecom
> >Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
> >
> >
> >
> >By Ives Galarcep
> >North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept=2E 17, 2002
> >
> >Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his
head
> >in disbelief=2E The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in
response
> >to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D=2EC=2E United, or a result of =
seeing
> >his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further=2E Zambrano was lef=
t
> >speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control=2E
> >
> >At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match=
> >seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally
stepping
> >on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly=2E
Zambrano
> >knew better=2E He has seen his star player lose his head too many times=
to
> >believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard
that
> >Mathis called his stepping on D=2EC=2E midfielder Jose Alegria an accid=
ent,
the
> >coach finally spoke out=2E
> >
> >"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put=
into
> >words what is wrong with Mathis=2E "I am not professionally qualified t=
o
> >identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs=
to
> >deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over=2E=
"
> >
> >Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can =
be
> >best described as maniacal at times=2E An easy-going and affable person=
off
> >the field, Mathis switches from Dr=2E Jeckyl to Mr=2E Hyde on the field=
, with
> >the soccer ball serving as his full moon=2E He rails on officials, bera=
tes
> >teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push =
or
> >smack in the face=2E Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
> >drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired =
of
> >it=2E When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a resu=
lt
of
> >his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion=2E
> >
> >"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't
behave
> >the way he does," said Zambrano=2E "We care about him too much to let h=
im
get
> >away with acting this way=2E We have to address this issue in the
off-season
> >with a severity and a compassion that it deserves=2E"
> >
> >Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him=2E
> >
> >"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
> >bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis=2E "That's=
fine=2E
> >We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it=2E"
> >
> >Temperamental soccer players are nothing new=2E The stories of Roy Kean=
e's
> >persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled=2E But un=
like
> >Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis i=
s
> >not=2E Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team,
always
> >willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after t=
he
> >toughest of losses=2E On the field he transforms into a screamer, and s=
ome
> >would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first
MLS
> >match=2E Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior wit=
h
U=2ES=2E
> >national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
> >suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one ga=
me
at
> >the World Cup=2E
> >
> >"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back th=
en
> >and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said=2E "The
issues
> >about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became a=
n
> >issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to i=
t
and
> >does something about it=2E"
> >
> >There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions=2E While Saturday=
's
red
> >card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star
accumulated
> >six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001=2E He did not do much=
better
> >with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from
2001
> >to 2002 (six yellows and one red)=2E
> >
> >Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates=2E Brazi=
lian
> >forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last
year,
> >but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees=2E Zambra=
no
> >addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match,
which
> >made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow=2E
> >
> >What can the Metros do?
> >
> >Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem=2E The team will=
> >already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract=
> >expires after the 2003 season=2E The Georgia native has already stated =
that
he
> >is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS
doesn't
> >speed up it's contract talks=2E The anger management issues could becom=
e a
> >stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some
sort
> >of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives=2E The talk of bad behavi=
or
> >could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors=2E Whatever th=
e
case,
> >Zambrano was at least right in one statement=2E Mathis cannot spend mor=
e
time
> >arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue=
> >receiving cards=2E Even he would not argue with that=2E
> >
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On Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 01:11:50 PM, RichieAnimal@cs.com wrote:
> On that game, it was an important game. Then why would Oz not start Andy
> Williams in that game?
I had a chance to speak with Andy Williams before the game. He was very disappointed that he wasn't starting. He did get in and play.
Now as to putting Ted Chronopolous up top, what the heck was Oz thinking???
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No worries Bill - but you do make a valid point. He has not yet become the
public face and poster boy that many expected (and some might say US Soccer
needs).
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At 01:21 PM 9/17/02 -0400, billq@rcnchicago.com wrote:
>Guys, I didn't mean to imply that Clint had mental health problems. Those
>who know me well know that I am supersensitive to that. Once I had a
>chance to review what I wrote (done in a hurried break this morning), I
>think that the spirit of my remarks got me in trouble. Again, I think that
>Clint has been racked with bad luck since the WC, but he is by far not
>needing to see a shrink for his problems. An attitude adjustment on the
>field perhaps, but not mental helath treatments. Sorry if I stepped on any
>toes out here.
>
>Bill Q.
>
>Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: MrMoore mrmoore01@prodigy.net
>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:00:27 -0500
>To: big_dog@fastmail.fm, nas@americakicks.com, nialls@rcn.com
>Subject: Re: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
>
>
>Amen. Geez, I cannot believe this thread.
>Jeff
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>From: "Niall Swan" <nialls@rcn.com>
>To: <big_dog@fastmail.fm>; <nas@americakicks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:54 AM
>Subject: Re: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
>
>
> > Yes, I am not sure Mathis has something most other players don't. Many
> > players get more aggressive on the field, and while Mathis has gone too
>far
> > this weekend, my view is that this is not enough to suggest psychotherapy
> > (maybe he needs it, no more than the rest of us). It seems like his Coach
> > is over-reacting. What about good old fashioned public loyalty, and an arm
> > around the shoulder behind the scenes.
> >
> > Now Keane - there is a case for some "professional" help. But Mathis - not
>yet!
> >
> > Niall
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 08:48 AM 9/17/02 -0700, big_dog@fastmail.fm wrote:
> > >Jeese Bill, for a professional writer you sure dive off the deep end
> > >sometimes. I tend to remember the major knee surgery, the minor knee
> > >surgery as well. And despite the major one, some may argue he scored the
> > >hardest goal for the US in Korea vs Korea. Think that was easy? I was
> > >there , it was not. Im not debating Clint is off the wall in a Gazza
> > >sense of behavior, but get the impression Octavio is trying to pass the
> > >buck to save his job and as anyone in NY will tell you, thats beyond
>saving.
> > >BD
> > >
> > >>From: "billq@rcnchicago.com" <billq@rcnchicago.com>
> > >>Reply-To: billq@rcnchicago.com
> > >>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:33:00 -0400
> > >>To: peter@lexandterry.com, nas@americakicks.com
> > >>Subject: RE: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
> > >>
> > >Talk about someone who has lost all the momentum that he had. Back in
>May
> > >he looked to become the face of soccer in this country and since then he
> > >has just sunk down to the bottom while Donovan has become the darling of
> > >the sport. Then again, it could be the SI Jinx finally coming into
>effect.
> > >
> > >Original Message:
> > >-----------------
> > >From: Peter Welpton peter@lexandterry.com
> > >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:13:42 -0500
> > >To: nas@americakicks.com
> > >Subject: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >By Ives Galarcep
> > >North Jersey Herald News/Bergen Record - Sept. 17, 2002
> > >
> > >Octavio Zambrano attempted to find the words but could only shake his
>head
> > >in disbelief. The MetroStars coach's reaction Saturday was not in
>response
> > >to the embarrassing 2-1 defeat against D.C. United, or a result of seeing
> > >his team's playoff hopes whittled down even further. Zambrano was left
> > >speechless by the actions of a player he feels is losing control.
> > >
> > >At first glance, Clint Mathis' red card expulsion from Saturday's match
> > >seemed like an isolated incident, a case of a player accidentally
>stepping
> > >on an opponent and a shaky referee pulling out a red too quickly.
>Zambrano
> > >knew better. He has seen his star player lose his head too many times to
> > >believe that Saturday's incident was a mistake, so when Zambrano heard
>that
> > >Mathis called his stepping on D.C. midfielder Jose Alegria an accident,
>the
> > >coach finally spoke out.
> > >
> > >"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put
>into
> > >words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
> > >identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs
>to
> > >deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
> > >
> > >Zambrano's comments center around Mathis' on-field demeanor, which can be
> > >best described as maniacal at times. An easy-going and affable person off
> > >the field, Mathis switches from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde on the field, with
> > >the soccer ball serving as his full moon. He rails on officials, berates
> > >teammates and challenges opponents with taunts and the occasional push or
> > >smack in the face. Zambrano has seen such behavior from Mathis since
> > >drafting him in for Los Angeles in 1998 but has apparently grown tired of
> > >it. When a reporter suggested that Mathis' behavior was simply a result
>of
> > >his competitive nature, Zambrano curses the notion.
> > >
> > >"I love him, I really do, but he needs to realize that he just can't
>behave
> > >the way he does," said Zambrano. "We care about him too much to let him
>get
> > >away with acting this way. We have to address this issue in the
>off-season
> > >with a severity and a compassion that it deserves."
> > >
> > >Mathis thinks Zambrano brought the issue up to motivate him.
> > >
> > >"Octavio believes there is a problem there and the only reason he is
> > >bringing it up publicly is to get my attention," said Mathis. "That's
>fine.
> > >We'll do whatever we have to do to fix it."
> > >
> > >Temperamental soccer players are nothing new. The stories of Roy Keane's
> > >persona, both on and off the field, have been well chronicled. But unlike
> > >Keane, who is as irascible out of uniform as he is in uniform, Mathis is
> > >not. Off the pitch he is one of the friendliest players on the team,
>always
> > >willing to chauffeur around new teammates and address the media after the
> > >toughest of losses. On the field he transforms into a screamer, and some
> > >would even say a dirty player, who earned a red card in his very first
>MLS
> > >match. Zambrano admitted addressing the issue of Mathis' behavior with
>U.S.
> > >national team coach Bruce Arena as far back as three years ago, and
> > >suggested that it may have played a part in Mathis starting only one game
>at
> > >the World Cup.
> > >
> > >"I don't know if Bruce remembers it, but we had that discussion back then
> > >and I think it came to a head at the World Cup," Zambrano said. "The
>issues
> > >about his behavior, his training habits, these are things that became an
> > >issue and will continue to be a problem for Clint until he owns up to it
>and
> > >does something about it."
> > >
> > >There are statistics to support Zambrano's assertions. While Saturday's
>red
> > >card was the first Mathis had received since 1999, the all-star
>accumulated
> > >six yellow cards with the Metros in 2000 and 2001. He did not do much
>better
> > >with the national team, leading all players on total cards earned from
>2001
> > >to 2002 (six yellows and one red).
> > >
> > >Some will say his antics have also rubbed off on his teammates. Brazilian
> > >forward Rodrigo Faria has continued his goal scoring success from last
>year,
> > >but he has also increased the amount of arguing with referees. Zambrano
> > >addressed the team's behavior toward referees before Saturday's match,
>which
> > >made Mathis' red card that much harder to swallow.
> > >
> > >What can the Metros do?
> > >
> > >Not much if Mathis doesn't agree that he has a problem. The team will
> > >already have its hands full negotiating with Mathis, whose MLS contract
> > >expires after the 2003 season. The Georgia native has already stated that
>he
> > >is ready to sign with a European club during next MLS season if MLS
>doesn't
> > >speed up it's contract talks. The anger management issues could become a
> > >stumbling block in negotiations, especially if the Metros suggest some
>sort
> > >of monetary penalty for cards Mathis receives. The talk of bad behavior
> > >could also be an attempt to scare away potential suitors. Whatever the
>case,
> > >Zambrano was at least right in one statement. Mathis cannot spend more
>time
> > >arguing than playing, and more importantly he cannot afford to continue
> > >receiving cards. Even he would not argue with that.
> > >
> > >
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On 16 Sep 2002 at 21:48, Bill Quigley wrote:
> At 07:46 PM 9/16/2002 -0700, Jay Hipps wrote:
> >Somebody at MLS spent a lot of time putting this together...
>
>
> Reminds me of the NFL playoff scenarios that you see in the papers late in
> the season.
I'm still waiting for an explantion for why it's not: 1) Points, 2) Goal Diff,
and 3) Goals Scored. Period.
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In a message dated 9/17/2002 2:08:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Now as to putting Ted Chronopolous up top, what the heck was Oz thinking???
I think the worst part of OZ coaching comes out when he makes a substitution.
The only reason to sub at that level is to improve team performance. I think
Faria wastes a lot of chances but he can score, and he has very good
endurance he can go the whole game and extra time as well. Why was he taken
out? Maybe, he was hurt :-)
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Now as to putting Ted Chronopolous up top, what the heck was Oz thinking???</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR>I think the worst part of OZ coaching comes out when he makes a substitution. The only reason to sub at that level is to improve team performance. I think Faria wastes a lot of chances but he can score, and he has very good endurance he can go the whole game and extra time as well. Why was he taken out? Maybe, he was hurt :-)
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Chris Allen wrote:
> On 16 Sep 2002 at 21:48, Bill Quigley wrote:
>
> > At 07:46 PM 9/16/2002 -0700, Jay Hipps wrote:
> > >Somebody at MLS spent a lot of time putting this together...
> >
> >
> > Reminds me of the NFL playoff scenarios that you see in the papers late in
> > the season.
>
> I'm still waiting for an explantion for why it's not: 1) Points, 2)
> Goal Diff, and 3) Goals Scored.
My guesses would be:
1. Unbalanced schedule makes goal differential less useful (Of course it
also has the same effect on points).
2. Goal differential might be easier to manipulate (teams may find it
advantageous to intentionally allow goals to affect the playoff seeding
and face an opponent of their choice).
3. That's how the other leagues here do it.
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--- RichieAnimal@cs.com wrote:
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>
> Have a problem with a player take him a side
> privately, and talk to him about
> it. You don't say anything about one of your players
> to the press that could
> hurt the player. All the press want is a story.
Tell that to Arena.
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Why Arena?
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> >
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> > privately, and talk to him about
> > it. You don't say anything about one of your players
> > to the press that could
> > hurt the player. All the press want is a story.
>
>Tell that to Arena.
>
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Because he took Mathis to task in the press for his general lack of
professionalism before the World Cup.
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> Why Arena?
> At 02:11 PM 9/17/02 -0700, Rick Mangi wrote:
>
> >--- RichieAnimal@cs.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Have a problem with a player take him a side
> > > privately, and talk to him about
> > > it. You don't say anything about one of your players
> > > to the press that could
> > > hurt the player. All the press want is a story.
> >
> >Tell that to Arena.
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Um... remember that little tourney in Japan/Korea?
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>
>
> > > Have a problem with a player take him a side
> > > privately, and talk to him about
> > > it. You don't say anything about one of your
> players
> > > to the press that could
> > > hurt the player. All the press want is a story.
> >
> >Tell that to Arena.
> >
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In a message dated 9/17/2002 5:15:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nialls@rcn.com
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> Why Arena?
>
Because Arena was another one who liked to tell stories about players to the
press.
But it is possible that Arena did tell Mathis first before he mentioned it to
the press. Plus telling the press about Mathis being out of shape is very
different that saying the player needed mental help.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/17/2002 5:15:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nialls@rcn.com writes:
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<BR>Because Arena was another one who liked to tell stories about players to the press.
<BR>
<BR>But it is possible that Arena did tell Mathis first before he mentioned it to the press. Plus telling the press about Mathis being out of shape is very different that saying the player needed mental help.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>Richie</FONT></HTML>
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All I ever remember Arena saying was that Mathis was not fit. That =
could mean, in "coachspeak", that he had a nagging injury and was not =
at his best.
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To: nialls@rcn.com ; rmangi@yahoo.com ; nas@americakicks.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nas] Mathis Gone Mental?
In a message dated 9/17/2002 5:15:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =
nialls@rcn.com writes:=20
Why Arena?=20
Because Arena was another one who liked to tell stories about players =
to the press.=20
But it is possible that Arena did tell Mathis first before he =
mentioned it to the press. Plus telling the press about Mathis being out =
of shape is very different that saying the player needed mental help.=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All I ever remember Arena saying was =
that Mathis=20
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nagging=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DRichieAnimal@cs.com=20
href=3D"mailto:RichieAnimal@cs.com";>RichieAnimal@cs.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dnialls@rcn.com=20
href=3D"mailto:nialls@rcn.com";>nialls@rcn.com</A> ; <A =
title=3Drmangi@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:rmangi@yahoo.com";>rmangi@yahoo.com</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dnas@americakicks.com=20
href=3D"mailto:nas@americakicks.com";>nas@americakicks.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 17, =
2002 6:23=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [nas] Mathis Gone=20
Mental?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a =
message dated=20
9/17/2002 5:15:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <A=20
href=3D"mailto:nialls@rcn.com";>nialls@rcn.com</A> writes: <BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">Why Arena? <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Because Arena was =
another one who=20
liked to tell stories about players to the press. <BR><BR>But it is =
possible=20
that Arena did tell Mathis first before he mentioned it to the press. =
Plus=20
telling the press about Mathis being out of shape is very different =
that=20
saying the player needed mental help. <BR><BR><BR>Richie</FONT>=20
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>
> I'm still waiting for an explantion for why it's not: 1) Points, 2) Goal Diff,
> and 3) Goals Scored. Period.
> Chris Allen
Because MLS wants to be like Spain and the Champions League.
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In very different ways we have clearly seen both Arena and "OZ" go =
public with rather strong criticisms of Mathis.
Two very different coaches. =20
Remember Arena essetially was publicly calling Clint out as lazy when he =
siad he wasn't working hard enough to get back in shape. Arena seems to =
be usually sucessful and motivating his players, and it is rare to hear =
him speak badly..or even particularly critically...of anyone on his =
teams. He must have carefully decided that all his efforts out of the =
spotlight had failed, and maybe a little bit of public embarassment was =
worth trying as a last resort. He must have thought Clint really needed =
a kick in the butt if he was going to get back in shape.
I, too, think it's rather extraordinary to hear a coach go public about =
a player clearly needs professional help in dealing with his mental =
state. But doesn't it seem likely that OZ is right?
The debate about whether OZ (or Bruce) behaved professionally is a minor =
point compared to whatever is up with Clint. I doubt it is a trivial =
issue.
One wonders whether a bit of craziness was necessary to drive Clint to =
the level of excellence he achieved, particularly prior to his June 2001 =
injury, or whether fame and public acclaim are enough to make one a bit =
crazy.
What was his pre MLS history? Is is a blip, or is he a total head case? =
Can any of us on the outside even have a clue?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In very different ways we have clearly =
seen both=20
Arena and "OZ" go public with rather strong criticisms of =
Mathis.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Two very different coaches. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Remember Arena essetially was publicly =
calling=20
Clint out as lazy when he siad he wasn't working hard enough to get back =
in=20
shape. Arena seems to be usually sucessful and motivating his =
players, and=20
it is rare to hear him speak badly..or even particularly critically...of =
anyone=20
on his teams. He must have carefully decided that all his efforts =
out of=20
the spotlight had failed, and maybe a little bit of public embarassment =
was=20
worth trying as a last resort. He must have thought Clint really =
needed a=20
kick in the butt if he was going to get back in shape.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I, too, think it's rather extraordinary =
to hear a=20
coach go public about a player clearly needs professional help in =
dealing with=20
his mental state. But doesn't it seem likely that OZ is=20
right?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The debate about whether OZ (or Bruce) =
behaved=20
professionally is a minor point compared to whatever is up with=20
Clint. I doubt it is a trivial issue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One wonders whether a bit of craziness =
was=20
necessary to drive Clint to the level of excellence he achieved, =
particularly=20
prior to his June 2001 injury, or whether fame and public acclaim =
are=20
enough to make one a bit crazy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What was his pre MLS history? Is =
is a blip,=20
or is he a total head case? Can any of us on the outside even have =
a=20
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> As a heads up to the list, our good friend from Los Angeles, Dan Looney is
> doing his tremendous work for CyberSoccer. Take a look.
>
> http://cybersoccernews.com/columnists/loney/020912loney.shtml
>
My response....
>
> Dear Dan,
>
> Well, let me say that I am a bit confused. I appreciate the comments
about
> Jeffries and the Cup -- going into the Week from Hell, we all wanted him
to
> do exactly what he did. We just didn't think we'd get smoked in all the
> games. And few if any fault him for the decision to play the kids in
> Denver -- although we do kind of fault him for once again coming up short
in
> big games. And I think one of the things that killed our morale was that
we
> came so close to winning that game in Colorado. And yes, Mr. Titus ought
> not to walk the streets of Dallas alone anytime soon, although I would
only
> state to him that they needed 87 of 90 minutes to beat a bunch of
rookies...
>
> But then you turn around after praising the move by Jeffries to respect
the
> Cup, and then ask for LA to host the final? How many games has LA played
in
> the USOC outside Cali? And how fair is that? Granted, LA has a good
> argument being the holders at least being the top seed throughout the
> tournament, but it seems to me that the best thing for the tradition of
the
> USOC would be to spread the wealth. IMHO, the final should be in
Columbus,
> whether the Crew are in it or not.
>
> It is the Lamar Hunt USOC, and there is no bigger stage in MLS for Lamar
> than Crew Stadium. It is centrally located so people can make the games
> from either coast in somewhat relative ease. I know -- I drove with a van
> full of Infernites to the 97 USOC in Indiana from Dallas on a Wednesday
> night in what I believe to be the only MLS-related post-championship-win
> pitch invasion.
>
> As the Right Honorable Gentleman from Fort Worth, Mr. Parrish Glover,
stated
> recently, "the Open Cup is for 'Us,' the hard core. It is our secret
party
> where we get to have the stadiums to ourselves and to have an effect on
the
> game." For now, attendance isn't what is as important as giving the
> die-hards their addiction, pure, unrefined, uncut. I loved hearing that
> lower division teams hate playing MLS clubs mostly because of the ribbing
> they get from the stands.
>
> As such, the USOC should be as accessible to as many as possible. LA
> hosting another game would do a disservice to the Cup as a whole. Sure, I
> agree that the game should be on a weekend if at all possible, but push it
> back a week if need be, but don't give LA another home game -- it already
> appears like the Fed is trying to give the Gals an undue advantage. Why
add
> to it?
>
> So Sez Drummer Boy
> http://flashpages.prodigy.net/klindstr/home.html
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In a message dated 9/17/2002 11:20:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
peter@lexandterry.com writes:
> "Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
> words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
> identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
> deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
>
It's not just Clint who needs "professional" help the entire MetroStars' team
needs professional help. They need a professional coach! In may opinion
Clint's erratic behavior is only a symptom of a greater problem, that of a
coach who while he may know his "X's" and "O's" leaves much to be desired in
other areas.
Anyone who watches the MetroStars on a semi-regular basis, can tell you that
that team lacks any degree of discipline, and self-control. It is the
coaches job to decide on a strategy, based on his and his players abilities,
and then to provide them with the direction, encouragement, and yes,
discipline to get the team to act as a cohesive unit. The MetroStars have
drifted so far away from being a cohesive unit that it appears that there is
no way back for them. No way back, with many of the current players, who are
now openly bickering with one another, or the current coaching staff.
A "professional" coach would certainly not question one of his players mental
state in the media!
Ed
"There's nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" -
Shakespeare
__________________________________________________________________
"Men are not disturbed by things, but by the view they take of
them."
Epictetus (The Enchiridion)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/17/2002 11:20:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, peter@lexandterry.com writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"Clint needs help, professional help," said Zambrano, who could not put into
<BR>words what is wrong with Mathis. "I am not professionally qualified to
<BR>identify what is wrong with him but Clint has some issues that he needs to
<BR>deal with and we as a team need to deal with once the season is over."
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR>It's not just Clint who needs "professional" help the entire MetroStars' team needs professional help. They need a professional coach! In may opinion Clint's erratic behavior is only a symptom of a greater problem, that of a coach who while he may know his "X's" and "O's" leaves much to be desired in other areas.
<BR>Anyone who watches the MetroStars on a semi-regular basis, can tell you that that team lacks any degree of discipline, and self-control. It is the coaches job to decide on a strategy, based on his and his players abilities, and then to provide them with the direction, encouragement, and yes, discipline to get the team to act as a cohesive unit. The MetroStars have drifted so far away from being a cohesive unit that it appears that there is no way back for them. No way back, with many of the current players, who are now openly bickering with one another, or the current coaching staff.
<BR>A "professional" coach would certainly not question one of his players mental state in the media!
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In a message dated 9/17/2002 6:32:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Because Arena was another one who liked to tell stories about players to the
>
"Telling stories" about players, or even questioning a players desire,
ability, or competence, is much different than questioning his mental health!
Ed
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__________________________________________________________________
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/17/2002 6:32:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RichieAnimal@cs.com writes:
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Because Arena was another one who liked to tell stories about players to the press. </BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR>"Telling stories" about players, or even questioning a players desire, ability, or competence, is much different than questioning his mental health!
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Subject: [nas] Has Tam Ramos been a detriment to the MLS?
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I wanted to wait a days until all the acculations about Tab, his wonderful
career, and his wonderful contributions to the world of soccer have subsided.
While Tab has demonstrated that he does have wonderful ball skills, a
superior knowledge of the game, and terrific vision on the field. I think
that as far as the MLS and the MetroStars are concerned he may have been more
detrimental than a benefit.
It is a fact, that Tab has played in less than one half of the games that he
could have.
And while in many of those games he demonstrate superior abilities, in many
more games he did not. In fact, while Tab could have used his recognizably,
to set an example for the newer players in the league, and the kids watching
at home or at the game, we often saw a "hot headed, cry baby" instead.
Just as damaging to the Metro, and the MLS is the fact that while Tab was a
memeber of the MetroStars, his roster spot in his salary prevented the league
and the MLS from signing other players who could have contributed more to the
league and the team. Let's face it while Tab does bring a certain amount of
"recognizablity" to the league, what good does it do if he is never there?
For all of Tab's "recognizablity" players like Mike Petke, Richie Wiliams,
and Demarcus Beasley, have done more for the MLS, with their presence on the
pitch than Tab has done.
If you doubt that other players have contributed more to the health of the
MLS, all you have to do is walk around Giant's Stadium and look at the
jerseys that the young kids are wearing. They are wearing Mike Petke, Clint
Mathis, and Timmy Howard jerseys.
I do not wish Tab Ramos ill, but I for one will certainly not lament his
departure.
The King is Dead, long live the King
Ed
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Shakespeare
__________________________________________________________________
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" SIZE=2>I wanted to wait a days until all the acculations about Tab, his wonderful career, and his wonderful contributions to the world of soccer have subsided.
<BR>
<BR>While Tab has demonstrated that he does have wonderful ball skills, a superior knowledge of the game, and terrific vision on the field. I think that as far as the MLS and the MetroStars are concerned he may have been more detrimental than a benefit.
<BR>
<BR>It is a fact, that Tab has played in less than one half of the games that he could have.
<BR>And while in many of those games he demonstrate superior abilities, in many more games he did not. In fact, while Tab could have used his recognizably, to set an example for the newer players in the league, and the kids watching at home or at the game, we often saw a "hot headed, cry baby" instead.
<BR>
<BR>Just as damaging to the Metro, and the MLS is the fact that while Tab was a memeber of the MetroStars, his roster spot in his salary prevented the league and the MLS from signing other players who could have contributed more to the league and the team. Let's face it while Tab does bring a certain amount of "recognizablity" to the league, what good does it do if he is never there? For all of Tab's "recognizablity" players like Mike Petke, Richie Wiliams, and Demarcus Beasley, have done more for the MLS, with their presence on the pitch than Tab has done.
<BR>
<BR>If you doubt that other players have contributed more to the health of the MLS, all you have to do is walk around Giant's Stadium and look at the jerseys that the young kids are wearing. They are wearing Mike Petke, Clint Mathis, and Timmy Howard jerseys.
<BR>
<BR>I do not wish Tab Ramos ill, but I for one will certainly not lament his departure.
<BR>
<BR>The King is Dead, long live the King
<BR>
<BR>
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Hadnt seen this discussed on the list...
Richard Mulrooney is out for the season for the Quakes with a broken ankle!
That will put a dent in their hopes to repeat as he is an unsung hero for
that squad. I can't think off the top of my head who would fill is spot...
peet
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My guess is that they'll move Corrales to d-mid, Lagos to the left, and
insert Ian Russell on the right. Corrales is having the best season of
his career and has filled in for Richard before, so they're at least
treading on familiar ground. Losing Mulrooney will hurt but it may also
provide a rallying point for the team.
I find it amazing that Mulrooney broke his ankle at some point during
the match against LA last Saturday but still played the full 90.
Jay
On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, at 07:05 AM, Peter Welpton wrote:
> Hadnt seen this discussed on the list...
>
> Richard Mulrooney is out for the season for the Quakes with a broken
> ankle!
> That will put a dent in their hopes to repeat as he is an unsung hero
> for
> that squad. I can't think off the top of my head who would fill is
> spot...
>
> peet
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HEINRICHS NAMES 28 TO TRAIN FOR 2002 NIKE U.S. WOMEN'S CUP; U.S. WILL FACE
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Heinrichs Will Choose 18 for Tournament as USA Defends Perfect Record
CHICAGO (Tuesday, September 17, 2002) - U.S. Women's National Team head
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FYI from Pallo.
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From: Mark Pallo <mpallo@rhinopit.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:42:16 -0400
Subject: USL/MLS Affiliation?
"Major League Soccer's partnership with the United Soccer Leagues, in
effect since 1996, will not be renewed. This is the final year of a
four-year contract that designates USL teams as official affiliates of
MLS teams and generates some income for A-League members who lose
contracted players to MLS."
The Kickers, for example, received about $27,000 from a designated
$250,000 pool when Dwayne DeRosario signed with the San Jose Earthquakes
last year. Richmond expects to receive a larger amount for goalie Mike
McGinty, signed by D.C. United this year.
"They [MLS] just aren't interested in going forward," said Kickers
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<B>From: </B>Mark Pallo <mpallo@rhinopit.com><BR>
<B>Date: </B>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:42:16 -0400<BR>
<B>Subject: </B>USL/MLS Affiliation?<BR>
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"They [MLS] just aren't interested in going forward," said Kicker=
s<BR>
General Manager Billy Hallock.<BR>
<BR>
Soccer Notes - Richmond Times-Dispatch<BR>
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contracted players to MLS=2E"
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 TheWizardofld@aol.com wrote:
<snip> It's not just Clint who needs "professional" help the entire
>MetroStars' team needs professional help. They need a professional
> coach! In my opinion Clint's erratic behavior is only a symptom of a
> greater problem, that of a coach who while he may know his "X's" and
> "O's" leaves much to be desired in other areas.
> Anyone who watches the MetroStars on a semi-regular basis, can tell you that
> that team lacks any degree of discipline, and self-control. It is the
> coaches job to decide on a strategy, based on his and his players abilities,
> and then to provide them with the direction, encouragement, and yes,
> discipline to get the team to act as a cohesive unit. The MetroStars have
> drifted so far away from being a cohesive unit that it appears that there is
> no way back for them. No way back, with many of the current players, who are
> now openly bickering with one another, or the current coaching staff.
> A "professional" coach would certainly not question one of his players mental
> state in the media!
IMHO, Clint is probably one of the vocal opposition to OZ. I wouldn't be
surprised that this was Coach speak to say Clint has a Bad Attitude.
However as several people have pointed out the TEAM is cracked apart and
a NEW Coach is the Only solution short of wholesale trades. For those of us
who have coached, we know sometimes the Coach takes the fall for player
performance and sometimes the TEAM takes the blame for Coach performance.
This seems to be the TEAM taking one for the Coach's lack of team
building ability. Sometimes all it takes it to trade a problem player or
bring in what the team lacks in leadership. While WE don't know all the
details, it sure looks like OZ didn't do what it would take to build a
TEAM and as has been pointed out he doesn't change during the game or sub
well. At least, he doesn't seem to get the desired result.
I will say after 30+ years of coaching young players [4-21] that
sometimes you as the coach just can't reach the players enough to get the
desired results. Usually the one or two Critical players will not respond
for you but as a Pro Coach it means trade time.
Peter Gratton
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> http://sports.yahoo.com/m/world/news/reuters/20020918/reu-rankingsdc.html
OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long ago.
Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH? Over England and Italy?
Now, if you remember, I am a supporter of the Elo Ranking system that
currently has the US at 19th. http://www.eloratings.net
While not perfect, a much more accurate picture of International Football.
let the overly exhaustive and debated thread BEGIN!!
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Hmm - Holland and Spain are quite high given their history of
underachievement Holland did not even qualify for the world cup. Australia
is ranked 17 ahead of the US. Ok a major boob there. It's seems in terms of
which one is better, that it's six of one, and half a dozen of the other!
Niall
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At 10:05 AM 9/18/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > http://sports.yahoo.com/m/world/news/reuters/20020918/reu-rankingsdc.html
>
>
>OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long ago.
>
>Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH? Over England and Italy?
>
>Now, if you remember, I am a supporter of the Elo Ranking system that
>currently has the US at 19th. http://www.eloratings.net
>
>While not perfect, a much more accurate picture of International Football.
>
>let the overly exhaustive and debated thread BEGIN!!
>
>peet
>
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Just to clarify my last sentence, I meant that there seems to be little
difference in the outcomes of either rating systems (I did not mean that
the US and Oz were of similar abilities).
Niall
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At 11:08 AM 9/18/02 -0400, Niall Swan wrote:
>Hmm - Holland and Spain are quite high given their history of
>underachievement Holland did not even qualify for the world cup. Australia
>is ranked 17 ahead of the US. Ok a major boob there. It's seems in terms
>of which one is better, that it's six of one, and half a dozen of the other!
>
>Niall
>
>The Soccer Resort
>www.soccerresort.com
>Adult Soccer Vacations in the Sun
>
>
>
>
>At 10:05 AM 9/18/02 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>> > http://sports.yahoo.com/m/world/news/reuters/20020918/reu-rankingsdc.html
>>
>>
>>OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long ago.
>>
>>Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH? Over England and Italy?
>>
>>Now, if you remember, I am a supporter of the Elo Ranking system that
>>currently has the US at 19th. http://www.eloratings.net
>>
>>While not perfect, a much more accurate picture of International Football.
>>
>>let the overly exhaustive and debated thread BEGIN!!
>>
>>peet
>>
>>
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OK, I'll bite.
Both of these (computerized, I guess) rankings have problems. I only had a
second to look at this ELO list but (in no particular order),
Holland at #2 - they didn't make the world cup
Mexico 3 spots better than the US? Not based on the last two years.
Australia at #17? Two spots above the US????
I would be interested to see something akin to the "coaches poll" that comes
out for NCAA football.
Mason
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From: Peter Welpton
> http://sports.yahoo.com/m/world/news/reuters/20020918/reu-rankingsdc.html
OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long ago.
Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH? Over England and Italy?
Now, if you remember, I am a supporter of the Elo Ranking system that
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While not perfect, a much more accurate picture of International Football.
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I cannot argue the point that there are more than seven teams in the world
better than the US, however, I'm not sure that there are 18 teams that are.
The only reason I concern myself with world rankings is a possible seed in
Germany... that would be wild, and it is possible (I won't do all that stats
again, though). That's why I value the FIFA rankings over Elo.
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From: "Peter Welpton" <peter@lexandterry.com>
> >
http://sports.yahoo.com/m/world/news/reuters/20020918/reu-rankingsdc.html
>
> OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long
ago.
>
> Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH? Over England and Italy?
>
> Now, if you remember, I am a supporter of the Elo Ranking system that
> currently has the US at 19th. http://www.eloratings.net
>
> While not perfect, a much more accurate picture of International Football.
>
> let the overly exhaustive and debated thread BEGIN!!
>
> peet
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In a message dated 9/18/2002 11:05:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
peter@lexandterry.com writes:
> OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long ago.
>
> Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH?
I dont know just how valid these rankings are, so perhaps the US can play a
couple "friendlies" against Italy and England to determine if there is any
validity to those rankings (which do count when it come to placement in the
World Cup brakets).... PLEASE!
Here in this country that is!
Ed
"There's nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" -
Shakespeare
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long ago.
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<BR>I dont know just how valid these rankings are, so perhaps the US can play a couple "friendlies" against Italy and England to determine if there is any validity to those rankings (which do count when it come to placement in the World Cup brakets).... PLEASE!
<BR>Here in this country that is!
<BR>
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<BR>
<BR>Ed
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I guess the South Korean bandwagon got overcrowded...... for all the hype
that they had gotten during and after the World Cup, they are still only
ranked 21st. Probably about where they belong but I am surprised not to see
them ranked a bit higher.
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I don't understand. We have played no games since the post-World Cup
rankings came out. England and Italy have dropped... but have they lost
games? There has only been one round of Euro 2004 qualifying... I don't
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Is the Copa Caribe a tounament to determine which teams will be representing
that region in the Gold Cup?
Ed
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Italy lost a friendly to Slovenia. I think England drew in a friendly with
Portugal.
"James V. Geluso" wrote:
> I don't understand. We have played no games since the post-World Cup
> rankings came out. England and Italy have dropped... but have they lost
> games? There has only been one round of Euro 2004 qualifying... I don't
> get it.
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Coach Berson at South Carolina did the same thing in
the past but most of us down here took it as a bit of
a joke. Didn't happen fairly often and didn't make any
sort of ripple in the press but it was mentioned from
what I know. Clint also had a tendency to fly off the
handle a bit sometimes too but if you've ever seen the
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 TheWizardofld@aol.com wrote:
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> Is the Copa Caribe a tounament to determine which teams will be representing
> that region in the Gold Cup?
It was, but has been scrapped in favor of a straight Gold Cup Qualifying
format this time. There won't be any Caribbean champion crowned as in
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Jim Goloboy wrote:
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> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 TheWizardofld@aol.com wrote:
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> >
> > Is the Copa Caribe a tounament to determine which teams will be representing
> > that region in the Gold Cup?
>
> It was, but has been scrapped in favor of a straight Gold Cup Qualifying
> format this time. There won't be any Caribbean champion crowned as in
> the past.
After checking the CONCACAF pages, it appears that there will indeed be a
Caribbean champion crowned. But the tournament is no longer known as the
Copa Caribe, just Caribbean Zone Gold Cup Qualifying. Not sure what this
means, except that maybe the final qualifying tournament is organzied by
CONCACAF instead of the CFU or the host nation.
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Survival of the fittest (post season hope alive and kicking)
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MLS Leading scorers
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Maybe he broke it kicking the linesman in the keyster after that horrible
I'm offside by 10 yards but I still can't see it call.
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My guess is that they'll move Corrales to d-mid, Lagos to the left, and
insert Ian Russell on the right. Corrales is having the best season of
his career and has filled in for Richard before, so they're at least
treading on familiar ground. Losing Mulrooney will hurt but it may also
provide a rallying point for the team.
I find it amazing that Mulrooney broke his ankle at some point during
the match against LA last Saturday but still played the full 90.
Jay
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>
> Richard Mulrooney is out for the season for the Quakes with a broken
> ankle!
> That will put a dent in their hopes to repeat as he is an unsung hero
> for
> that squad. I can't think off the top of my head who would fill is
> spot...
>
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In a message dated 9/18/2002 7:32:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
peter@lexandterry.com writes:
> Richard Mulrooney is out for the season for the Quakes with a broken ankle!
> That will put a dent in their hopes to repeat as he is an unsung hero for
> that squad. I can't think off the top of my head who would fill is spot...
He's definitely an unsung hero. His spot will be hard to fill. I see it as
a lot less likely that the Quakes will win the Cup again. If we do, you can
blame Yallop. He has done an exceptional job shuffling people in and out of
the lineup due to serveral long term injuries (Goose, Dayak, Lagos, Russell)
in addition to WC call-ups. Shoe in for coach of the year if he can pull it
off one more time.
My guess is that Yallop may use this as an opportunity to get DeRosario &
Graziani into the lineup at the same time, with Donovan moving into midfield.
Either that or he'll bring Ian Russell back into the lineup in Corrales'
spot, moving Corrales into center midfield.
I'd prefer the former to the latter because Mulrooney did a lot of
distributing from his position and frankly Corrales is where good offensive
opportunities go to die. He just doesn't see teammates making runs in time.
By the time he has realized the opportunity, so has the defender and the
passing lane gets choked off, so Ramiro ends up holding it longer or passing
it backwards. When you have a team like the Quakes with explosive offensive
speed, you really need someone in the middle with vision. While Ekelund
does, Corrales does not and some of that distribution will be expected of
Corrales.
Darrin
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 9/18/2002 7:32:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peter@lexandterry.com writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Richard Mulrooney is out for the season for the Quakes with a broken ankle!<BR>
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that squad. I can't think off the top of my head who would fill is spot...</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
He's definitely an unsung hero. His spot will be hard to fill. I see it as a lot less likely that the Quakes will win the Cup again. If we do, you can blame Yallop. He has done an exceptional job shuffling people in and out of the lineup due to serveral long term injuries (Goose, Dayak, Lagos, Russell) in addition to WC call-ups. Shoe in for coach of the year if he can pull it off one more time.<BR>
<BR>
My guess is that Yallop may use this as an opportunity to get DeRosario & Graziani into the lineup at the same time, with Donovan moving into midfield. Either that or he'll bring Ian Russell back into the lineup in Corrales' spot, moving Corrales into center midfield. <BR>
<BR>
I'd prefer the former to the latter because Mulrooney did a lot of distributing from his position and frankly Corrales is where good offensive opportunities go to die. He just doesn't see teammates making runs in time. By the time he has realized the opportunity, so has the defender and the passing lane gets choked off, so Ramiro ends up holding it longer or passing it backwards. When you have a team like the Quakes with explosive offensive speed, you really need someone in the middle with vision. While Ekelund does, Corrales does not and some of that distribution will be expected of Corrales.<BR>
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On 17 Sep 2002 at 15:03, Jim Goloboy wrote:
> > I'm still waiting for an explantion for why it's not: 1) Points, 2)
> > Goal Diff, and 3) Goals Scored.
> My guesses would be:
> 1. Unbalanced schedule makes goal differential less useful (Of course it
> also has the same effect on points).
But not all teams play each other the same number of times now.
Teams within divisions play each other 4x each. Outside the division
it's just 2x each.
> 2. Goal differential might be easier to manipulate (teams may find it
> advantageous to intentionally allow goals to affect the playoff seeding
> and face an opponent of their choice).
Why is that any more difficult than a team playing for a draw to get the
7th position so they would have to face Columbus, New England, or
Metros and not either LA or San Jose?
> 3. That's how the other leagues here do it.
So, we are left with the "failure of imagination" explanation. The same
"logic" that still insists on a "Best of 3 (sort of)" playoff system. My God,
even the USL -- the poster child of tweaking soccer laws under
Francisco Marcos' leadership -- has finally realized that a 2 leg (total
goal) playoff system is the best way to go.
Cheers, Chris
Chris Allen
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OK, I'll take the bait. I'm sure my argument will be especially reviled
since I didn't pay attention to the "major debate" earlier. Sorry.
But, we just had a World Cup, and basically nothing has happened since
then. And we got 8th place. Ergo, we are the 8th best team in the
world. That's the end of the story, at least until some international
matches start happening. You prove your worth on the field of play, and
that's exactly what we did. This isn't even debatable. Furthermore,
Turkey should be the #3 team in the world behind Germany, and just ahead
of S. Korea. I mean, the whole point of the World Cup is to be the ONE
tournament for the national teams to prove on the field how they stand
against all others.
I definitely don't think the FIFA rankings are generally realistic at
all, but they got lucky in this case and put us exactly where we
belong. It is as ridiculous for France to be ranked #2 right now as it
was ridiculous for them to be ranked #2 behind Brazil in the rankings
immediately after they won WC98 by beating Brazil by 3 goals. Mexico
being ahead of us is silly, but England shouldn't be behind us.
My argument here is so fundamental and un-original that somebody has
surely already made the point.
...and yes, I think college football should have a playoff.
Lark
On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, at 10:05 AM, Peter Welpton wrote:
>
> OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long
> ago.
>
> Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH? Over England and
> Italy?
>
> Now, if you remember, I am a supporter of the Elo Ranking system that
> currently has the US at 19th. http://www.eloratings.net
>
> While not perfect, a much more accurate picture of International
> Football.
>
> let the overly exhaustive and debated thread BEGIN!!
>
> peet
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In a message dated 9/18/2002 11:44:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
larkho@ghgcorp.com writes:
> But, we just had a World Cup, and basically nothing has happened since
> then. And we got 8th place. Ergo, we are the 8th best team in the
> world. That's the end of the story, at least until some international
> matches start happening.
I disagree with this completely. I think the idea behind the rankings (and
how they should calculate it is endlessly debatable) is to show who
"generally" the best teams are. The old rule in baseball (or I guess new
rule since the wildcard is relatively new) is that in a short playoff series,
anything can happen. The best team does not always win because the best team
might run into some bumps and not play well. But in a longer series, the
cream will tend to rise to the top and the better team has a better chance to
win.
Turkey is in no way the third best team in the world. They were the third
best team in the tourny, within this finite amount of time during the world
cup. But over the long haul, they are not going to beat the 4th place team
(Germany) the majority of the time. The majority of the time, Germany will
win those games. Hence Germany being higher up.
On a side note, these rankings will become even more muddled I believe. The
gap between the elite teams and the up-and-comers is getting smaller. So
there will be even more anomolies like Spain in 2nd place and, yes, the U.S.
in 8th. Unless the world's teams played a balanced schedule, with the same
roster for every game, you'll never have a truely accurate ranking of the
world's teams. In the mean time I guess it just provides discussion fodder
for us soccer geeks.
Darrin
You prove your worth on the field of play, and
>
> that's exactly what we did. This isn't even debatable. Furthermore,
> Turkey should be the #3 team in the world behind Germany, and just ahead
> of S. Korea. I mean, the whole point of the World Cup is to be the ONE
> tournament for the national teams to prove on the field how they stand
> against all others.
>
> I definitely don't think the FIFA rankings are generally realistic at
> all, but they got lucky in this case and put us exactly where we
> belong. It is as ridiculous for France to be ranked #2 right now as it
> was ridiculous for them to be ranked #2 behind Brazil in the rankings
> immediately after they won WC98 by beating Brazil by 3 goals. Mexico
> being ahead of us is silly, but England shouldn't be behind us.
>
> My argument here is so fundamental and un-original that somebody has
> surely already made the point.
>
> ...and yes, I think college football should have a playoff.
>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/18/2002 11:44:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, larkho@ghgcorp.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But, we just had a World Cup, and basically nothing has happened since <BR>
then. And we got 8th place. Ergo, we are the 8th best team in the <BR>
world. That's the end of the story, at least until some international <BR>
matches start happening.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I disagree with this completely. I think the idea behind the rankings (and how they should calculate it is endlessly debatable) is to show who "generally" the best teams are. The old rule in baseball (or I guess new rule since the wildcard is relatively new) is that in a short playoff series, anything can happen. The best team does not always win because the best team might run into some bumps and not play well. But in a longer series, the cream will tend to rise to the top and the better team has a better chance to win.<BR>
<BR>
Turkey is in no way the third best team in the world. They were the third best team in the tourny, within this finite amount of time during the world cup. But over the long haul, they are not going to beat the 4th place team (Germany) the majority of the time. The majority of the time, Germany will win those games. Hence Germany being higher up.<BR>
<BR>
On a side note, these rankings will become even more muddled I believe. The gap between the elite teams and the up-and-comers is getting smaller. So there will be even more anomolies like Spain in 2nd place and, yes, the U.S. in 8th. Unless the world's teams played a balanced schedule, with the same roster for every game, you'll never have a truely accurate ranking of the world's teams. In the mean time I guess it just provides discussion fodder for us soccer geeks.<BR>
<BR>
Darrin<BR>
<BR>
You prove your worth on the field of play, and </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
that's exactly what we did. This isn't even debatable. Furthermore, <BR>
Turkey should be the #3 team in the world behind Germany, and just ahead <BR>
of S. Korea. I mean, the whole point of the World Cup is to be the ONE <BR>
tournament for the national teams to prove on the field how they stand <BR>
against all others.<BR>
<BR>
I definitely don't think the FIFA rankings are generally realistic at <BR>
all, but they got lucky in this case and put us exactly where we <BR>
belong. It is as ridiculous for France to be ranked #2 right now as it <BR>
was ridiculous for them to be ranked #2 behind Brazil in the rankings <BR>
immediately after they won WC98 by beating Brazil by 3 goals. Mexico <BR>
being ahead of us is silly, but England shouldn't be behind us.<BR>
<BR>
My argument here is so fundamental and un-original that somebody has <BR>
surely already made the point.<BR>
<BR>
...and yes, I think college football should have a playoff.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
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I can't say for sure if the poster is THE OZ. Probably not it is too
inventive for him. This was put on a coaching list and an officiating list.
"Is there any rule against getting on a teammates shoulders for a corner
kick? This thought just came into my head kind of randomly, and now I gotta
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I can't say for sure if the poster is THE OZ. Probably not it is too inventive for him. This was put on a coaching list and an officiating list.
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Verdana" LANG="0">"Is there any rule against getting on a teammates shoulders for a corner kick? This thought just came into my head kind of randomly, and now I gotta know the answer! I want to use it in my next match a very important game. I'm thinking this would kick ass if you got two tall people one standing on the other ones shoulders, and an accurate guy taking the corners.
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Rochester Raging Rhinos at Richmond Kickers
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"They are under such intense scrutiny from fans and local media that
losses aren't tolerated and even wins that don't measure up to certain
standards can be subjected to ridicule. Eight regular-season losses this
year drew considerable comment as six did a year ago and nine the
previous campaign. Playing a defense-oriented style isn't the best way
to win friends, either."
"The pressure on him must be immense," said Cowlishaw, third-year coach
of the Richmond Kickers, who meet the Rhinos for the Eastern Conference
title in a two-game series starting tonight at Sports Backers Stadium.
The Kickers are coming off a rousing come-from-behind decision over
top-seeded Charleston in the second round.
"[Ercoli] wins it year in and year out, and the fans are never happy,"
Cowlishaw continued. "[The Rhinos] have mediocre regular seasons, and
their fans say they're not good enough when people who really know
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more important to turn it on in the playoffs, which is what they've
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I can't say that it's written into the laws exactly like that, but there are
laws in the game that prevent unsportsmenlike conduct such as this. It
wouldn't be allowed, just like its not allowed to hang from the crossbar
with your arms to save a high shot in a game. Also, the rules don't say its
illegal to take off your shoe and throw it at the ball to save a shot, but
obviously these kind of things fall under the unsportsmenlike conduct rules.
If you can manage to get away with this in a game, consider yourself lucky
to have someone that doesn't quite know the rules of the game officiating.
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"Is there any rule against getting on a teammates shoulders for a corner
kick? This thought just came into my head kind of randomly, and now I gotta
know the answer! I want to use it in my next match a very important game.
I'm thinking this would kick ass if you got two tall people one standing on
the other ones shoulders, and an accurate guy taking the corners.
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Too bad Oz will be very disappointed. He had already given it a name. Heard
of the "Short Corner?" He wanted to call this the "Tall Corner." :-)
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> I definitely don't think the FIFA rankings are generally realistic at
> all, but they got lucky in this case and put us exactly where we
> belong. It is as ridiculous for France to be ranked #2 right now as it
> was ridiculous for them to be ranked #2 behind Brazil in the rankings
> immediately after they won WC98 by beating Brazil by 3 goals. Mexico
> being ahead of us is silly, but England shouldn't be behind us.
Ok, well, I see. So, to you it is correct that the US is 8th, but it is not
correct that in the same ranking system that France is #2, or that Mexico is
ahead of the US and England is behind...
Hmm.. So you seem to have a lot of differing opinions on other teams in the
rankings, but NOT your home country's surprising rise to #8.... Fifa just
happen to get THAT one right in your opinion?
:) how convenient ( in my best 'churchlady')
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> DCU needs to win to keep playoff hopes alive
> http://www.soccertimes.com/mls/2002/sep18.htm
There are more than a few of us that think that DALLAS needs to win to get
their crap together and not crash into the playoffs with five losses on the
trot...
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Anyone see how is the imported Ronnie O'Brein playing for the Burn these
days? Scored in his debut, but has he scored since
Is he the revelation that he was expected to be?
Niall
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At 09:05 AM 9/19/02 -0500, Peter Welpton wrote:
> > DCU needs to win to keep playoff hopes alive
> > http://www.soccertimes.com/mls/2002/sep18.htm
>
>
>There are more than a few of us that think that DALLAS needs to win to get
>their crap together and not crash into the playoffs with five losses on the
>trot...
>
>
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Good article alright.
Stevie Nicol's first major lead coaching post - I hope he continues to turn
things around, but not at the Metrostars expense....!
The question is - will he do a better job than Mr Stapleton?!! :-)
Niall Swan
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At 10:12 AM 9/19/02 -0400, Evan Whitney wrote:
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>
>http://revsnet.mlsfansites.com/story.php?news_ID=195&PHPSESSID=5c76248297d0
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> Anyone see how is the imported Ronnie O'Brein playing for the Burn these
> days? Scored in his debut, but has he scored since
>
> Is he the revelation that he was expected to be?
Yes and No... Ronnie is in a tough spot in that his position is currently
filled by Joselito Vaca who has had a bit of a breakthrough this season.
Ronnie is still also working on his fitness and really gelling with the rest
of the team. So we have never really gotten a chance to see him go a full
90 more than a couple of times and one of those was a USOC match.
There is no doubt that Ronnie is a gamebreaker and in 2003 will more than
likely be a starter on a more regular basis. He has some of the most
impressive ball skills and ability to take on a defender in MLS.
But Burnfans have to be releived that finally, after 6.5 years the team has
depth at midfield in more than one position. In previous seasons when one
starter in the midfield went out, so did the team. Now, they can bring in a
few other people including Ronnie.
Remember, that in 2003 Dallas will be sporting Ronnie O'Brien and Chris
Gbandi as fresh new faces...
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From: Kirsten Tautfest <hori_too@yahoo.com>
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Andy, Scott and I will be at the Richmond leg match so
their may by YCJ photos up later.
I don't have a vested interested in any team, but will
as the baseball song says, "Root root root for the
home team."
Cheers!
Kirsten
--- Mark Pallo <mpallo@rhinopit.com> wrote:
> Rochester Raging Rhinos at Richmond Kickers
> By Jerry Lindquist - Richmond Times Dispatch
>
http://www.timesdispatch.com/sports/localpros/kickers/MGBFSSD0A6D.html
>
> "They are under such intense scrutiny from fans and
> local media that
> losses aren't tolerated and even wins that don't
> measure up to certain
> standards can be subjected to ridicule. Eight
> regular-season losses this
> year drew considerable comment as six did a year ago
> and nine the
> previous campaign. Playing a defense-oriented style
> isn't the best way
> to win friends, either."
>
> "The pressure on him must be immense," said
> Cowlishaw, third-year coach
> of the Richmond Kickers, who meet the Rhinos for the
> Eastern Conference
> title in a two-game series starting tonight at
> Sports Backers Stadium.
> The Kickers are coming off a rousing
> come-from-behind decision over
> top-seeded Charleston in the second round.
>
> "[Ercoli] wins it year in and year out, and the fans
> are never happy,"
> Cowlishaw continued. "[The Rhinos] have mediocre
> regular seasons, and
> their fans say they're not good enough when people
> who really know
> what's going on realize that team can turn it on
> when needed - and it's
> more important to turn it on in the playoffs, which
> is what they've
> consistently done."
>
>
> Rhinos' foe Richmond still kicking
> By Jeff DiVeronica - Democrat and Chronicle
>
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/sports/rhinos/0919story1_rhinos.shtml
>
> -Mark
>
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hmm, I'm suprised that either team played ANY of it's
stars, esp San Jose. Granted Donovan and 'Goos did not
play, but at least they drew a good crowd:
22,512 according to the Quakes.
Now how many were America fans or Mexicans cheering
for America and how many were true San Jose fans?
Just curious.
If LA and Chicago are any indication as far as crowds
for matches like this go, I'll bet the overwhelming
majority were rooting for the Mexican side.
Cheers!
Kirsten
vamanos America!
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I say this for everyone in the league:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
We can't continue to lose our stars like this and
maintain cred as a league in the rest of the world.
The MLS needs to make sure they sign him to a sweet
multi-year deal, then sell or LOAN him in the off
season with the condition that he not be allowed to
join the Euro-side until Nov 1st or as soon as his
team drops out of playoff/USOC contention whichever
comes first. Then the MLS side can get him back on or
about June 1.
That's my opinion about DaBeas too. And any other
potential future stars. We cannot continue to be bled
like this and having the replacement be money draining
injury prone near retirement or should have retired
two years ago foreign stars.
That's my opinion and I'm stickin to it!
Kirsten
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IMHO:
The numbers behind the rankings should have been
zero'ed out at the end of the World Cup. The rankings
at that point should have been the exact way they were
in the world Cup. THEN from there start pluggin in the
formulas for friendlies etc. The teams that did not
qualify for WC would be ranking all tied at one spot
below the last world cup ranking. Yes, I know Holland
could wipe the Saudi's butts all over the pitch, but
in this manner it would be fair and perhaps meaningful
when the rankings do come out in the post WC months.
If Holland wants to be higher than SA, then challenge
them to a friendly . . .
A coach's poll would be interesting too in addition to
this, but when I used to bet on pointy ball I never
put much stock in those things either.
Kirsten
--- Peter Welpton <peter@lexandterry.com> wrote:
>
> > I definitely don't think the FIFA rankings are
> generally realistic at
> > all, but they got lucky in this case and put us
> exactly where we
> > belong. It is as ridiculous for France to be
> ranked #2 right now as it
> > was ridiculous for them to be ranked #2 behind
> Brazil in the rankings
> > immediately after they won WC98 by beating Brazil
> by 3 goals. Mexico
> > being ahead of us is silly, but England shouldn't
> be behind us.
>
>
> Ok, well, I see. So, to you it is correct that the
> US is 8th, but it is not
> correct that in the same ranking system that France
> is #2, or that Mexico is
> ahead of the US and England is behind...
>
> Hmm.. So you seem to have a lot of differing
> opinions on other teams in the
> rankings, but NOT your home country's surprising
> rise to #8.... Fifa just
> happen to get THAT one right in your opinion?
>
> :) how convenient ( in my best 'churchlady')
>
> peet
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Subject: [nas] MLS Newlinks 9-19 (27 articles-more Fire bad news, Loney, Cassar,
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Rasov listed day to day with should seperation
http://espn.go.com/soccer/news/2001/0109/1004502.html
Down to the wire-All MLS teams alive heading into final weekend
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/us/news/2002/09/18/mls_playoffs/
Metro's add Balboa, Cassar to roster
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/us/news/2002/09/18/metros_moves_ap
Gansler: Recovered KC will make playoffs
http://www.mlsnet.com/content/02/kc0918gansler.html
Naperville wants Fire back
http://www.mlsnet.com/content/02/chi0918naperville.html
Fire add Selolwane
http://www.mlsnet.com/content/02/chi0918selolwane.html
Loney: Opening soon, the Loney academy
http://www.cybersoccernews.com/columnists/loney/020919loney.shtml
Fire will stay in Naperville 2002-03
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/us/news/2002/09/18/fire_stadium
MLS Newsstand 09-19 (19)
http://www.mlsnet.com/content/02/mls0919newsstand.html
-- Hurt Burn showing character (Fort Worth Star-Telegram)
-- Burn needs a win vs. D.C. United to hold 4th (Dallas Morning News)
-- Burn-D.C. United preview (Dallas Morning News)
-- Notebook: Playoff picture far from clear for Crew, MLS (Columbus
Dispatch)
-- Big name joins the game (Denver Post)
-- U.S. Ranking Is All-Time Best (Los Angeles Times)
-- Earning power for Twellman (Boston Globe)
-- Twellman points the way (Boston Herald)
-- United Must Keep Fingers Crossed (Washington Post)
-- United's Big Three could get broken up (Washington Times)
-- Alavanja treated, released after car wreck (Northern Virginia Journal)
-- Quakes tie at 'Stick (Oakland Tribune)
-- Unsatisfying exhibition draw (San Francisco Chronicle)
-- Saturday showdown looms for 'Quakes (Contra Costa Times)
-- Fervent fans enjoy soccer exhibition (San Jose Mercury News)
-- MetroStars add pair (New York Post)
-- No. 2 goalie Grafer on the spot (New York Daily News)
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METROSTARS TO HOST ALL 2002 MLS PLAYOFF
GAMES AT RIVERFRONT STADIUM IN NEWARK
SECAUCUS, NJ (September 19, 2002) - MetroStars President/General Manager
Nick Sakiewicz announced today that the team will host all of its potential
2002 MLS Cup playoff home games at intimate Riverfront Stadium in Newark,
NJ, should the MetroStars clinch their third straight postseason berth this
weekend in New England.
Giants Stadium, where the MetroStars have played all of their regular season
and playoff home games over their seven-year history, is unavailable to the
team for the first four potential 2002 playoff game dates (September 25, 26,
28 and 29) due to scheduling conflicts.
Bears and Eagles Riverfront Stadium, located directly off of Route 280 and
within a 50-yard walk of New Jersey Transit's Broad Street rail station, is
a state-of-the-art ballpark built in 1999 for minor league baseball's Newark
Bears. The stadium, configured to seat 6,200 fans for baseball, will be
temporarily reconfigured for the MetroStars to accommodate more than 8,500
fans, and possibly more, during the team's drive for the 2002 MLS Cup.
"While we would love to play our playoff games in the stadium where we have
played every one of our home games during our franchise's history, it is
unfortunately not an option we have," said Sakiewicz. "That being said, we
are absolutely thrilled to be able to bring our most important games of the
year into Riverfront Stadium and the city of Newark, which is not only a
hotbed of MetroStars supporters but is also incredibly easy to get to not
only by car but by various methods of mass transit.
"And on top of it all, we get the incredible, intimate atmosphere of
Riverfront Stadium, which should provide us with the perfect environment as
we try to bring home the MLS Cup."
Advance tickets for each MetroStars playoff game at Riverfront Stadium will
go on sale this Monday. All advance tickets will cost $25, and are available
by calling 1-888-4-METROTIX, the Newark Bears ticket line at 973-483-6900,
and at the Riverfront Stadium box office at 450 Broad Street in Newark. All
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The MetroStars are currently in a three-way tie for sixth place in the MLS
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eight-team playoff race. The MetroStars (35 points) need only a tie on
Saturday to clinch their third straight playoff spot, and could know even
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or not provided D.C. United (32 points) loses or ties tonight against
Dallas, along with Kansas City (35 points) losing at Colorado on Friday
night.
The MetroStars own the head-to-head, season-series tiebreaker edges over
both Kansas City (1-0-1) and New England (3-0-0 so far).
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Are you kidding me? Attendance last week and the week before was really
impressive for the League, but to have this happen is certainly a blow to
the league. The metros need to get the hell out of giants stadium.
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METROSTARS TO HOST ALL 2002 MLS PLAYOFF
GAMES AT RIVERFRONT STADIUM IN NEWARK
SECAUCUS, NJ (September 19, 2002) - MetroStars President/General Manager
Nick Sakiewicz announced today that the team will host all of its potential
2002 MLS Cup playoff home games at intimate Riverfront Stadium in Newark,
NJ, should the MetroStars clinch their third straight postseason berth this
weekend in New England.
Giants Stadium, where the MetroStars have played all of their regular season
and playoff home games over their seven-year history, is unavailable to the
team for the first four potential 2002 playoff game dates (September 25, 26,
28 and 29) due to scheduling conflicts.
Bears and Eagles Riverfront Stadium, located directly off of Route 280 and
within a 50-yard walk of New Jersey Transit's Broad Street rail station, is
a state-of-the-art ballpark built in 1999 for minor league baseball's Newark
Bears. The stadium, configured to seat 6,200 fans for baseball, will be
temporarily reconfigured for the MetroStars to accommodate more than 8,500
fans, and possibly more, during the team's drive for the 2002 MLS Cup.
"While we would love to play our playoff games in the stadium where we have
played every one of our home games during our franchise's history, it is
unfortunately not an option we have," said Sakiewicz. "That being said, we
are absolutely thrilled to be able to bring our most important games of the
year into Riverfront Stadium and the city of Newark, which is not only a
hotbed of MetroStars supporters but is also incredibly easy to get to not
only by car but by various methods of mass transit.
"And on top of it all, we get the incredible, intimate atmosphere of
Riverfront Stadium, which should provide us with the perfect environment as
we try to bring home the MLS Cup."
Advance tickets for each MetroStars playoff game at Riverfront Stadium will
go on sale this Monday. All advance tickets will cost $25, and are available
by calling 1-888-4-METROTIX, the Newark Bears ticket line at 973-483-6900,
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fans purchasing advance tickets through the MetroStars at 1-888-4-METROTIX
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The MetroStars are currently in a three-way tie for sixth place in the MLS
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night.
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What purpose would that serve? If people wanted to know the standings of
the World Cup, they could look it up on the FIFA web site. Having a
"ranking" that simply reflected the results of one tournament (even the
World Cup) is pointless.
The purpose of a ranking system, imo, should be to indicate which team is
better than which other team. I would define better as "expected to win a
majority of the time". The fact that we beat Spain in the World Cup is a
very useful data point. But it doesn't determine if we're better, by my
definition. The question is "Would the US beat Spain a majority of the time
(given current rosters, etc.)?" If the answer is no, then we should be
ranked lower than Spain.
Backslider
>From: Kirsten Tautfest <hori_too@yahoo.com>
>To: US Soccer List <nas@americakicks.com>
>Subject: Re: [nas] US Men rise to eighth inthe world in latest FIFA
>rankings
>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:29:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
>IMHO:
>The numbers behind the rankings should have been
>zero'ed out at the end of the World Cup. The rankings
>at that point should have been the exact way they were
>in the world Cup. THEN from there start pluggin in the
>formulas for friendlies etc. The teams that did not
>qualify for WC would be ranking all tied at one spot
>below the last world cup ranking. Yes, I know Holland
>could wipe the Saudi's butts all over the pitch, but
>in this manner it would be fair and perhaps meaningful
>when the rankings do come out in the post WC months.
>If Holland wants to be higher than SA, then challenge
>them to a friendly . . .
>
>A coach's poll would be interesting too in addition to
>this, but when I used to bet on pointy ball I never
>put much stock in those things either.
>
>Kirsten
>--- Peter Welpton <peter@lexandterry.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I definitely don't think the FIFA rankings are
> > generally realistic at
> > > all, but they got lucky in this case and put us
> > exactly where we
> > > belong. It is as ridiculous for France to be
> > ranked #2 right now as it
> > > was ridiculous for them to be ranked #2 behind
> > Brazil in the rankings
> > > immediately after they won WC98 by beating Brazil
> > by 3 goals. Mexico
> > > being ahead of us is silly, but England shouldn't
> > be behind us.
> >
> >
> > Ok, well, I see. So, to you it is correct that the
> > US is 8th, but it is not
> > correct that in the same ranking system that France
> > is #2, or that Mexico is
> > ahead of the US and England is behind...
> >
> > Hmm.. So you seem to have a lot of differing
> > opinions on other teams in the
> > rankings, but NOT your home country's surprising
> > rise to #8.... Fifa just
> > happen to get THAT one right in your opinion?
> >
> > :) how convenient ( in my best 'churchlady')
> >
> > peet
> >
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Jason Benfield wrote:
> Are you kidding me? Attendance last week and the week before was really
> impressive for the League, but to have this happen is certainly a blow to
> the league.
Assuming, of course, they actually make the playoffs, which I doubt.
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I hope they learn to appreciate the intimate
atmosphere that a small stadium can bring -- and a
potential for prematch sellouts! :)
But first, they have to get there. :p
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> GAMES AT RIVERFRONT STADIUM IN NEWARK
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On 19 Sep 2002 at 11:56, Jason Benfield wrote:
> Are you kidding me? Attendance last week and the week before was really
> impressive for the League, but to have this happen is certainly a blow to
> the league. The metros need to get the hell out of giants stadium.
Maybe the "best" solution to this problem is for the Metros to not make
the playoffs this year. :-)
Go Revs!
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But whom? =20
I do not think it would happen, but a perfect guy to=20
lead that rather volatile group, would be Yeadley
at Indiana=2E =20
I just know, short of a few mil, he likley would never
leave the comfy confines of IU=2E
Bring Back Bruce Arena?????
Jeff
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From: PETER V GRATTON grattonp@unlv=2Eedu
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:59:01 -0700 (PDT)
To: nas@americakicks=2Ecom
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However as several people have pointed out the TEAM is cracked apart and
a NEW Coach is the Only solution short of wholesale trades=2E=20
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These things are just this: coffee table fodder
for banter like what we are engaged in=2E
If that is what we use them for- then fine=2E
If we take them very seriously, we can be committed ;-)
Jeff
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From: Niall Swan nialls@rcn=2Ecom
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Subject: Re: [nas] US Men rise to eighth inthe world in latest FIFAranking=
s
Hmm - Holland and Spain are quite high given their history of=20
underachievement Holland did not even qualify for the world cup=2E Austral=
ia=20
is ranked 17 ahead of the US=2E Ok a major boob there=2E It's seems in ter=
ms of=20
which one is better, that it's six of one, and half a dozen of the other!
Niall
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At 10:05 AM 9/18/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >
http://sports=2Eyahoo=2Ecom/m/world/news/reuters/20020918/reu-rankingsdc=2E=
html
>
>
>OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long ag=
o=2E
>
>Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH? Over England and Italy?=
>
>Now, if you remember, I am a supporter of the Elo Ranking system that
>currently has the US at 19th=2E http://www=2Eeloratings=2Enet
>
>While not perfect, a much more accurate picture of International Football=
=2E
>
>let the overly exhaustive and debated thread BEGIN!!
>
>peet
>
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves=2E=2E=2E=2E
anyone think Wales is some kind of rollover?
I think Wales could give us all we want and would
not really surprise me if they got a result against
us- yet- they did not qualify and are currenty=2E=2E=2E=2E
73rd=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E We are 8th=2E=2E=2E=2E=2EWales 73rd=2E=2E=2E=2E=
=2E
give me a break=2E
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:15:59 -0400
To: nas@americakicks=2Ecom
Subject: Re: [nas] US Men rise to eighth inthe world in latest FIFA rankin=
gs
I cannot argue the point that there are more than seven teams in the world=
better than the US, however, I'm not sure that there are 18 teams that are=
=2E
The only reason I concern myself with world rankings is a possible seed in=
Germany=2E=2E=2E that would be wild, and it is possible (I won't do all th=
at stats
again, though)=2E That's why I value the FIFA rankings over Elo=2E
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> >
http://sports=2Eyahoo=2Ecom/m/world/news/reuters/20020918/reu-rankingsdc=2E=
html
>
> OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long
ago=2E
>
> Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH? Over England and Italy=
?
>
> Now, if you remember, I am a supporter of the Elo Ranking system that
> currently has the US at 19th=2E http://www=2Eeloratings=2Enet
>
> While not perfect, a much more accurate picture of International Footbal=
l=2E
>
> let the overly exhaustive and debated thread BEGIN!!
>
> peet
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Wales have been really poor for the past 7 years. Not like when they had
Ian Rush and Mark Hughes up front, and they were beating Germany away (back
in the late 80's early 90's)!
up until very very recently, when allegedly Mark Hughes as manager has made
a difference, Wales would have been a pushover for the USA - hence the
rating of 73rd....
Controversially yours
Niall
PS My sister was born in Wales, so I can say these things without fear of
being clobbered by large words beginning with "LL".
The Soccer Resort
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Soccer Vacations in the Sun
At 03:13 PM 9/19/02 -0400, mrmoore01@prodigy.net wrote:
>Let's not get ahead of ourselves....
>anyone think Wales is some kind of rollover?
>I think Wales could give us all we want and would
>not really surprise me if they got a result against
>us- yet- they did not qualify and are currenty....
>73rd....... We are 8th.....Wales 73rd.....
> give me a break.
>Jeff
>
>Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: Keith Bundy kdaleb@wsu.edu
>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:15:59 -0400
>To: nas@americakicks.com
>Subject: Re: [nas] US Men rise to eighth inthe world in latest FIFA rankings
>
>
>I cannot argue the point that there are more than seven teams in the world
>better than the US, however, I'm not sure that there are 18 teams that are.
>
>The only reason I concern myself with world rankings is a possible seed in
>Germany... that would be wild, and it is possible (I won't do all that stats
>again, though). That's why I value the FIFA rankings over Elo.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Welpton" <peter@lexandterry.com>
>
> > >
>http://sports.yahoo.com/m/world/news/reuters/20020918/reu-rankingsdc.html
> >
> > OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long
>ago.
> >
> > Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH? Over England and Italy?
> >
> > Now, if you remember, I am a supporter of the Elo Ranking system that
> > currently has the US at 19th. http://www.eloratings.net
> >
> > While not perfect, a much more accurate picture of International Football.
> >
> > let the overly exhaustive and debated thread BEGIN!!
> >
> > peet
>
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Subject: [nas] FW: Blackburn/Friedel UEFA Cup webcast replay(R)
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You can catch the second half if you hurry.
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Blackburn Rovers' UEFA Cup tie versus CSKA Sofia is being
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Nice idea but I don't have an extra 35 Pounds for the pleasure - just made my deposit on seats @ National Training Center :-)
art
big_dog@fastmail.fm wrote:You can catch the second half if you hurry.
Thx To Warren G for the info.
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From: george.abao@pbi.embraer.com
Blackburn Rovers' UEFA Cup tie versus CSKA Sofia is being
broadcast live on the Internet.
http://www.socceraudio.com/UK.htm
It'll be the Blackburn link.
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<P>Nice idea but I don't have an extra 35 Pounds for the pleasure - just made my deposit on seats @ National Training Center :-)
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<BLOCKQUOTE>----------<BR><B>From: </B>george.abao@pbi.embraer.com<BR><B><BR></B><TT>Blackburn Rovers' UEFA Cup tie versus CSKA Sofia is being<BR>broadcast live on the Internet.<BR><BR>http://www.socceraudio.com/UK.htm<BR><BR>It'll be the Blackburn link.<BR><BR>The match started at 3pm ET. Friedel is starting in goal for Rovers.<BR><BR></TT></BLOCKQUOTE><TT><BR></TT></BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
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Wales is unbeaten run for a decent stretch recently=2E They have played th=
e
likes of Argentina, Germany,
etc etc=2E They have some real 1st team talent=2E
I do question their depth=2E
I am just stating right NOW=2E=2E=2E=2EWales would be a real handful=2E
Right NOW=2E=2E=2EWales is not 73rd by a long shot in my view
Jeff
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From: Niall Swan nialls@rcn=2Ecom
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:48:17 -0400
To: mrmoore01@prodigy=2Enet, kdaleb@wsu=2Eedu, nas@americakicks=2Ecom
Subject: Re: [nas] US Men rise to eighth inthe world in latest FIFAranking=
s
Wales have been really poor for the past 7 years=2E Not like when they had=
=20
Ian Rush and Mark Hughes up front, and they were beating Germany away (bac=
k=20
in the late 80's early 90's)!
up until very very recently, when allegedly Mark Hughes as manager has mad=
e=20
a difference, Wales would have been a pushover for the USA - hence the=20
rating of 73rd=2E=2E=2E=2E
Controversially yours
Niall
PS My sister was born in Wales, so I can say these things without fear of=20=
being clobbered by large words beginning with "LL"=2E
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At 03:13 PM 9/19/02 -0400, mrmoore01@prodigy=2Enet wrote:
>Let's not get ahead of ourselves=2E=2E=2E=2E
>anyone think Wales is some kind of rollover?
>I think Wales could give us all we want and would
>not really surprise me if they got a result against
>us- yet- they did not qualify and are currenty=2E=2E=2E=2E
>73rd=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E We are 8th=2E=2E=2E=2E=2EWales 73rd=2E=2E=2E=2E=
=2E
> give me a break=2E
>Jeff
>
>Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: Keith Bundy kdaleb@wsu=2Eedu
>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:15:59 -0400
>To: nas@americakicks=2Ecom
>Subject: Re: [nas] US Men rise to eighth inthe world in latest FIFA
rankings
>
>
>I cannot argue the point that there are more than seven teams in the worl=
d
>better than the US, however, I'm not sure that there are 18 teams that ar=
e=2E
>
>The only reason I concern myself with world rankings is a possible seed i=
n
>Germany=2E=2E=2E that would be wild, and it is possible (I won't do all t=
hat
stats
>again, though)=2E That's why I value the FIFA rankings over Elo=2E
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Welpton" <peter@lexandterry=2Ecom>
>
> > >
>http://sports=2Eyahoo=2Ecom/m/world/news/reuters/20020918/reu-rankingsdc=2E=
html
> >
> > OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long=
>ago=2E
> >
> > Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH? Over England and
Italy?
> >
> > Now, if you remember, I am a supporter of the Elo Ranking system that
> > currently has the US at 19th=2E http://www=2Eeloratings=2Enet
> >
> > While not perfect, a much more accurate picture of International
Football=2E
> >
> > let the overly exhaustive and debated thread BEGIN!!
> >
> > peet
>
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Jeff,
But ....I don't think that the ratings do reflect "now" only, nor should
they. They reflect "now" and "recent past", so that one is not duped into
thinking a team is good purely by a good winning stretch, nor poor by a
losing stretch (maybe by missing some key players), but by their overall
"rounded" performance over an extended (but reasonable) period of time....
For wales to renounce 73rd spot and move way down the rankings, they need
to show consistency over at least a year/two. I think their current rating
is fair based on performances *overall* during the past few years.
Feels like an existential conversation on the meaning of "now" is about to
begin...;-)
Niall
The Soccer Resort
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At 04:54 PM 9/19/02 -0400, mrmoore01@prodigy.net wrote:
>Wales is unbeaten run for a decent stretch recently. They have played the
>likes of Argentina, Germany,
>etc etc. They have some real 1st team talent.
>I do question their depth.
> I am just stating right NOW....Wales would be a real handful.
>Right NOW...Wales is not 73rd by a long shot in my view
>Jeff
>
>Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: Niall Swan nialls@rcn.com
>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:48:17 -0400
>To: mrmoore01@prodigy.net, kdaleb@wsu.edu, nas@americakicks.com
>Subject: Re: [nas] US Men rise to eighth inthe world in latest FIFArankings
>
>
>Wales have been really poor for the past 7 years. Not like when they had
>Ian Rush and Mark Hughes up front, and they were beating Germany away (back
>in the late 80's early 90's)!
>
>up until very very recently, when allegedly Mark Hughes as manager has made
>a difference, Wales would have been a pushover for the USA - hence the
>rating of 73rd....
>
>Controversially yours
>Niall
>
>PS My sister was born in Wales, so I can say these things without fear of
>being clobbered by large words beginning with "LL".
>
>The Soccer Resort
>www.soccerresort.com
>Soccer Vacations in the Sun
>
>
>At 03:13 PM 9/19/02 -0400, mrmoore01@prodigy.net wrote:
> >Let's not get ahead of ourselves....
> >anyone think Wales is some kind of rollover?
> >I think Wales could give us all we want and would
> >not really surprise me if they got a result against
> >us- yet- they did not qualify and are currenty....
> >73rd....... We are 8th.....Wales 73rd.....
> > give me a break.
> >Jeff
> >
> >Original Message:
> >-----------------
> >From: Keith Bundy kdaleb@wsu.edu
> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:15:59 -0400
> >To: nas@americakicks.com
> >Subject: Re: [nas] US Men rise to eighth inthe world in latest FIFA
>rankings
> >
> >
> >I cannot argue the point that there are more than seven teams in the world
> >better than the US, however, I'm not sure that there are 18 teams that are.
> >
> >The only reason I concern myself with world rankings is a possible seed in
> >Germany... that would be wild, and it is possible (I won't do all that
>stats
> >again, though). That's why I value the FIFA rankings over Elo.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Peter Welpton" <peter@lexandterry.com>
> >
> > > >
> >http://sports.yahoo.com/m/world/news/reuters/20020918/reu-rankingsdc.html
> > >
> > > OK, we had a major debate about the reality of this thing not too long
> >ago.
> > >
> > > Can anyone really defend this? Come on, EIGHTH? Over England and
>Italy?
> > >
> > > Now, if you remember, I am a supporter of the Elo Ranking system that
> > > currently has the US at 19th. http://www.eloratings.net
> > >
> > > While not perfect, a much more accurate picture of International
>Football.
> > >
> > > let the overly exhaustive and debated thread BEGIN!!
> > >
> > > peet
> >
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Today is not a good day for accuracy on NAS. :)
For the record, Germany finished second, not fourth, in the World Cup. And
the U.S. beat Portugal, not Spain.
This has been a message from your friendly neighborhood pedantic busybody.
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In a message dated 9/19/2002 3:50:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, atlemar@io.com
writes:
> For the record, Germany finished second, not fourth, in the World Cup. And
> the U.S. beat Portugal, not Spain.
>
If you are refering to my email on the subject, I was refering to Germany's
4th place FIFA rank, not their finish in the WC. I should have been more
specific.
Not sure who mentioned the US beating Spain.
And I'm still baffled as to their position in second place in the FIFA
rankings. Sounds like a case for the X-files.
Darrin
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 9/19/2002 3:50:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, atlemar@io.com writes:<BR>
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">For the record, Germany finished second, not fourth, in the World Cup. And <BR>
the U.S. beat Portugal, not Spain.<BR>
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If you are refering to my email on the subject, I was refering to Germany's 4th place FIFA rank, not their finish in the WC. I should have been more specific.<BR>
<BR>
Not sure who mentioned the US beating Spain.<BR>
<BR>
And I'm still baffled as to their position in second place in the FIFA rankings. Sounds like a case for the X-files.<BR>
<BR>
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!
Do they sell defibrillators on eBay?
*whew*
Bring on Elimination Weekend!!
Warren Abao - Palm Beach Gardens, Fla.
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At 09:43 PM 9/19/2002 -0400, G. Warren Abao wrote:
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!
>
>Do they sell defibrillators on eBay?
>
>*whew*
>
>Bring on Elimination Weekend!!
That was a very enjoyable match, even though the evil bastards of Texas
won. GO FIRE! :)
Bill Q.
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DALLAS BURN GAME SUMMARY
EDDIE JOHNSON OVERTIME GOAL SENDS BURN TO VICTORY
Burn Keeps Home Field Advantage Hopes Alive With Victory
WASHINGTON, DC - The Dallas Burn kept alive their hopes of home field
advantage in the first round of the playoffs with a 4-3 overtime =
decision at
DC United tonight. In order to get home field advantage, the Burn must =
now
hope for a Colorado loss or tie in their match vs. Kansas City on Friday
night. Should the Burn gain home field advantage, Game 1 would be on
Wednesday, September 25 at 7:30 p.m. at the Cotton Bowl. In the event =
they
do not gain home field advantage, Game 1 would be Wednesday at Colorado =
with
Game 2 on Saturday, September 28 at 7:30 p.m. at the Cotton Bowl.
Dallas struck for the game-winning goal in the 96th minute on a great =
hustle
play by Joselito Vaca. A 50-50 ball to the left of the goal between =
Vaca
and United 'keeper Nick Rimando was won by Vaca. With Rimando out of =
the
net, Vaca sent a looping cross into the box, which was chested down by =
Eddie
Johnson. Johnson settled the ball and hit a left-footer just inside the
right post for the victory.
The Burn had two quality chances in the first 30 minutes of the match on
great balls from Antonio Martinez. In the 25th minute, Martinez beat =
three
United players on the dribble before threading a cross to a rushing =
Bobby
Rhine at the top of the box. Rhine's first touch failed him, however, =
and
Rimando rushed out to smother the ball. In the 33rd minute, Martinez
nutmegged a United defender and sent the ball to Kreis at the left side =
of
the box. Kreis' left-footer was deflected just wide of the goal for a
corner kick. On the ensuing corner, Chad Deering's cross was knocked =
out by
the hand of United defender Bryan Namoff, resulting in a penalty kick.
Jorge Rodriguez placed the ensuing penalty kick to the right corner of =
the
goal, just out of the reach of Rimando.
Burn 'keeper Matt Jordan came up with two huge saves in the first half =
to
keep United off of the board. In the 29th minute, Henry Zambrano hit a
wicked volley from the left side of the box that Jordan dove to snare.
Then, in the closing moments of the first half, Jordan came up big =
again. A
Zambrano shot on goal was inadvertently deflected out by Eddie Pope, =
with
the rebound falling to Jose Alegria 10 yards from goal. Alegria =
one-timed a
right-footer that Jordan was able to knock down with his arm. With the =
ball
sitting just a foot from the goal line, Oscar Pareja cleared it out of
danger.
United pulled even just three minutes into the second half on a great =
finish
by Bobby Convey. Convey played a give-and-go with Eliseo Quintanilla,
freeing Convey on the left side of the box. With Jordan coming out to =
cut
the angle, Convey ripped a left-footer just inside the left post. =
United
took the lead in the 65th minute, with Zambrano finding the back of the =
net.
Ben Olsen sent a cross into the box just ahead of Burn defender Tenywa
Bonseu and into the path of a breaking Zambrano. With Jordan charging =
off
of his line, Zambrano beat Jordan to the ball and flicked it over him.
The Burn evened it up in the 74th minute with a great shot by Martinez.
Chad Deering found Martinez at the left corner of the box with Martinez
seemingly poised to cross the ball. With Rimando cheating off of his =
line
in anticipation of the cross, Martinez sent a deft chip that found the =
right
side netting.
The Burn took the lead once again with a goal in the 80th minute. as =
Vaca
found Rhine breaking down the right flank. Rhine outran Pope to the =
ball
and hit a right-footer just inside the left post.
United evened the game once again in the dying moments of the match,
striking in injury time. Marco Etcheverry played a through ball to Ali
Curtis in the left side of the box. Curtis' shot found the lower left
corner of the goal, sending the game into overtime.
Linescore
1 2 OT F
Dallas 1 2 2 4=20
DC United 0 3 0 3=20
Scoring Summary:
DAL - Rodriguez (PK) 34', Martinez (Deering, Johnson) 74', Rhine (Vaca) =
80',
Johnson (Vaca) 96'
DC - Convey (Quintanilla) 48', Zambrano (Olsen, Quintinalla) 65', Curtis
(Etcheverry, Villegas) 92+
LINEUPS
DALLAS BURN - Matt Jordan, Jorge Rodriguez, Tenywa Bonseu, Steve Morrow,
Matt Behncke, Ronnie O'Brien, Chad Deering, Antonio Martinez, Oscar =
Pareja
(Joselito Vaca 69'), Bobby Rhine (Lee Morrison 87'), Jason Kreis (Eddie
Johnson 67')=20
DC UNITED - Nick Rimando, Milton Reyes, Eddie Pope, Bryan Namoff, Ben =
Olsen,
Jose Alegria (Richie Williams 68'), Marco Etcheverry, Bobby Convey, =
Petter
Villegas, Henry Zambrano (Jaime Moreno 67'), Eliseo Quintanilla (Ali =
Curtis
77')
STATS DAL DC
Shots 15 21
Shots on Goal 9 9
Saves 6 4
Fouls 18 17
Offside 3 2
Corner Kicks 6 13
Cautions:=20
DAL - Rodriguez 38', Morrow 41', Behncke 91'
DC - Namoff 20'
Ejections:
None=20
Referee: Ricardo Salazar Referee's Assistants: George Vergara, Steve
Taylor
Attendance: 13,889
www.dallasburn.com
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From: G. Warren Abao <wabao@adelphia.net>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!
>
> Do they sell defibrillators on eBay?
>
> *whew*
>
> Bring on Elimination Weekend!!
A bit 'o fun there, yeah? ;-)
Apologies to the United fans, but we had to get back on track somehow.
Well, Mr. Titus, we'll see who is the over-the-hill team starting on
Wednesday. %-)
So Sez Drummer Boy
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From: Peter Welpton <peter@lexandterry.com>
>
> Remember, that in 2003 Dallas will be sporting Ronnie O'Brien and Chris
> Gbandi as fresh new faces...
And we haven't even drafted yet. ;-)
As for Ronnie, I will be interested to see what happens when the guy has a
whole pre-season to get in with the team. He definitely still doesn't look
to be too in synch with the guys, although he has often looked real
dangerous.
I also think it will be very interesting to see if Ryan Suarez can continue
to improve when some of us (including me) were worried about a sophomore
slump.
And for those of you wondering about the progress of Mr. Eddie Johnson, I
think you saw a bit of that future tonight. All he needs is time, and
considering that he is looking more and more like the No. 3 forward instead
of Bobby Rhine, he should get more and more over the next season or two.
(As to who will be the No. 2 forward in Dallas, who knows?)
So Sez Drummer Boy
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You know.....
this past week has just underscored the fact that this league puts a
darn GOOD product on the field! The intensity is there. The quality is
there....
the entertainment is there...and darn it.....we play an entertaining style
of
ball in MLS. It is an entire shame and blight on the country that most of
America
simply does not get it. Breaks your heart really. This league just has to
stay
solvent as it is producing some good stuff and fine talent.
There was a comment I saw in England, from a CANADIAN, of all
people. He went to the Fire vs. Metros match- the one where it was
either 3-2 or 4-3 and Beasley hit the winner (he HAD to slip in the fact
that he was only there to watch
Rangers vs. River Plate- because NOT to say that he would have been subject
to derisive
sneers I suppose?......). He stated how entertaining it
was but that he did not recognize a single players name. I thought to
myself
at that time, how pathetic and so what! Why broadcast your ignorance on a
worldwide channel like that?
He likely knows all the names of
the SPL sides, or half the Prem sides, but does not know anyone in MLS
and that somehow tainted his enjoyment. What complete piddle. The sad
fact is- he believes if anyone, or any league was any good......HE would
have heard about it.
God what tripe.
I suppose this is the guy that refuses to buy generic pharmaceuticals? Who
knows?
Then I reflected on this general "European" myopic attitude about football.
My stance is- I hope they stay this pathetically ignorant up toward
every
world cup. The rest of the world does not need THEIR APPROVAL to
play the game at a high level. We do not need their recognition or respect
to kick their ass! So....please, by all means ye ignorant, remain as such
until we plunder ye game til the end of the earth!!!!!!!!! Amen.
Jeff
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Deep in this wonderful article about the USA WC effort, you get a few words
from our boy Bruce.
On MLS's decision to allow green-card holders not to count as international
players: "The green-card ruling is not in the best interests of the national
team. Look at Dallas. How many of those guys are Americans? But that's
life."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/grant_wahl/news/2002/09/19/wahl
_mailbag/
You have a problem with exactly who now? Chris GBandi ought to be
considered for the US national team and Oscar Pareja loves the Burn more
than any player in this league loves their team -- and I challenge anyone to
show otherwise.
First off, let's answer your rhetorical question. Matt Jordan, Jason Kreis,
Paul Broome, Ryan Suarez, Bobby Rhine, Eddie Johnson, Chad Deering -- of the
ones getting regular or semi-regular pt. (I will admit, I am not completely
sure about Antonio Martinez.)
Second, what is the point? Where is the US player who isn't getting pt
because of those players? Granted, there could be a problem if you had
three SIs and eights players with green cards, but you don't have that.
Or what about your favorite player, Marco Etcheverry? You know, the one who
is now out of the playoffs -- again? Doesn't he have a green card?
And let's turn that around -- Marco has his kids here. What if they (or
other soccer-talented-parent-raised-kids) turn out to be as good as their
parents and want to play well for the US? Are you going to turn them down
because their parents weren't "born citizens"?
Last I checked, Bruce, this was supposed to still be the land of
opportunity, and what better way to develop and grow the talent base than
bringing in players willing to come to what used to be and to a certain
extent still is a second-rate but growing and developing league? Do you
think this league would be anywhere without El Pibe, El Diablo, Leonel
Alvarez, Mauricio Cienfuegos, Robert Warzycha, Carlos EFFIN Llamosa!!!!,
Jaime Moreno, Peter Nowak, Diego Gutierrez, etc.?
Or where would Landon have been if all he had to play against and with while
growing up in Cali were anglos?
It is a strength, not a weakness, @$$hole!
Someone might want to point this obvious blind spot to him -- good as he is,
it is this kind of idiocy that will keep the US from truly becoming a world
power. It really is that simple.
But hey. Lo que sea.
So Sez Drummer Boy
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Subject: [nas] Richmond v Rochester [R] (1st leg of East semi)
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Score line at the final whistle: 1 - 1
Game summary:
http://www.richmondkickers.com/news/0919002Rochestergamesum.htm
My observations:
Good match overall. There was a questionable call in
the box with a 'back pass' to the Rhino's keeper
(Onstad) in the second half. Questionable in the sense
that it wasn't called and probably wasn't due to the
positioning of the ref and the linesman relative to
the ball. To the officials it appeared as a possible
shot on goal. From my angle, with the "Corner Kicks",
it should have been called.
Fox (Richmond) got red carded early in the second
half. So he will not be available. Demin played a good
portion of the match limping slightly. I think the
only reason that the Rhinos coach did not pull him is
that it may have left a gaping hole in the Rhino's
back line.
It became clear to me that the main reason that Onstad
had a .75 GAA going into tonight's matchup was due to
the defensive style of play of the Rhinos. Counter
then drop back on D. (Kind of reminded me of MLS Cup
2000, but that's another matter . . .)
Richmond appeared flatfooted for most of the match.
They need to pick it up if they want to make it past
Rochester to get to Milwaukee. They will be without
Fox, despite being a Defender, he pushed far up the
right wing on the attack. The red card was for a
'last man' offense. Not too rough but the right call,
nonetheless. Henderson scored the goal for Richmond.
They also used all five of their subs. I belive the
Rhinos only used 2.
The crowd was nice (3327). A little quiet from time
to time compared to what I'm used to (i.e. wall of
noise). The weather was perfect.
Other cute observation:
At halftime I noticed a little kid no older than 3
dart past me. He paused and looked toward the pitch
then took off running down the wheelchair ramp. I
glanced over and thought that I spotted his dad who
was engrossed in conversation with friends. Next thing
I know, the kid had slipped through the field gate
near the base of the ramp and was trotting to where
the Kicker bench was warming up. He proceded to warm
up with them. Jogging back and forth and even trying
to run backwards. The Kicker who was nearest the
pressbox side corner was having fun with the kid. Like
it was all normal. Dad finally notices the kid missing
and someone points out to the field. Dad was probably
relieved and amused at the same time. He went down to
the gate and was allowed on the track to get the kid.
The kid didn't come off until it was time to clear the
field for the second half. The kid didn't want to go.
He was having too much fun and wanted to "tell" all
the Kickers who were nearby goodluck with a
"high-five".
Ah, the unintentional halftime shows are the best. :)
I had a good time.
If any Corner Kickers are on this list, thank you for
letting me hang out with you. Cheers!
Kirsten
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On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 09:02 AM, Peter Welpton wrote:
>
>
> Ok, well, I see. So, to you it is correct that the US is 8th, but it
> is not
> correct that in the same ranking system that France is #2, or that
> Mexico is
> ahead of the US and England is behind..
>
> Hmm.. So you seem to have a lot of differing opinions on other teams in
> the
> rankings, but NOT your home country's surprising rise to #8.... Fifa
> just
> happen to get THAT one right in your opinion?
>
> :) how convenient ( in my best 'churchlady')
>
> peet
You betcha. FIFA got lucky this one single time, and put us in exactly
the right spot. I'm definitely not defending the ranking system as a
whole, just that we are indeed the 8th best team in the world.
Likewise, after WC98, we were overrated by the FIFA rankings. I just
think it's strange that in this case, the USA placed 8th in BOTH the
World Cup, and in the FIFA rankings--what objective evidence is there to
the contrary?
It obviously all depends on what you want any ranking system to
rank--current quality vs. long-term quality. But it is utterly
incomprehensible to me that if Turkey, for example, had won the World
Cup, that many of y'all could with a straight face say the next day that
they're not the best team in the world. That logic basically says the
World Cup is nothing but 64 glorified friendlies. All this is about as
logical as determining team rankings by who has the largest gross
payroll.
And again, once real games start again, with Euro qualifiers, Copa
Americas, etc., all my blather diminishes in importance. I'm saying
this simply because we are still in the immediate wake of the World Cup
(you know, what used to be called the Football World Championship
because it determined the World Champions).
Anyway, I'm done here. I just can't reason with you people! ;)
Lark
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Yellow Card to Quigley!
Failure to change [no R] to [R].
Which I just did.
4 - 3 OT. Dallas.
--- Bill Quigley <billq@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
> At 09:43 PM 9/19/2002 -0400, G. Warren Abao wrote:
> >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!
> >
> >Do they sell defibrillators on eBay?
> >
> >*whew*
> >
> >Bring on Elimination Weekend!!
>
> That was a very enjoyable match, even though the
> evil bastards of Texas
> won. GO FIRE! :)
>
> Bill Q.
>
>
> Bill Quigley
> Web Master, The Fire Alarm
> www.thefirealarm.com
>
> Chicago Correspondent - Cyber Soccer News
> www.cybersoccernews.com
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> "When I walk down the street, I want people to say,
> `There goes the
> greatest hitter who ever lived.' " - Ted Williams
> 1918-2002
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In a message dated 9/19/2002 8:58:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
klindstr@flash.net writes:
> And let's turn that around -- Marco has his kids here. What if they (or
> other soccer-talented-parent-raised-kids) turn out to be as good as their
> parents and want to play well for the US? Are you going to turn them down
> because their parents weren't "born citizens"?
Sheesh. What's with the prejudice-jibe you are laying on Bruce? I thought he
made a good point. The more green-carded players taking jobs in MLS, the
less there are for players who could develop into U.S. national teamers. One
of the problems with the NASL is that you had so few americans getting
playing time. Yes, there is no current national teammer not getting playing
time because of a green-carded player, but that isn't his point. He's
worried about players with potential. He doesn't need to be concerned about
the level of MLS play nor how much some Dallas dude loves his team. His
concern, as *national team coach*, is to identify and help develop talented
players for the U.S. player pool. If a USian is riding the pine because a
green-carded player is in the spot, his development will be stunted. It is
the equivalent of an Eddie Lewis going over seas and riding the pine for
Fulham. You develop more by getting playing time than you do just practicing
with a team in a better league. Where would Donovan be if he stayed in
Germany? Not on the WC team, imo.
Darrin
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And let's turn that around -- Marco has his kids here. What if they (or<BR>
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Sheesh. What's with the prejudice-jibe you are laying on Bruce? I thought he made a good point. The more green-carded players taking jobs in MLS, the less there are for players who could develop into U.S. national teamers. One of the problems with the NASL is that you had so few americans getting playing time. Yes, there is no current national teammer not getting playing time because of a green-carded player, but that isn't his point. He's worried about players with potential. He doesn't need to be concerned about the level of MLS play nor how much some Dallas dude loves his team. His concern, as *national team coach*, is to identify and help develop talented players for the U.S. player pool. If a USian is riding the pine because a green-carded player is in the spot, his development will be stunted. It is the equivalent of an Eddie Lewis going over seas and riding the pine for Fulham. You develop more by getting playing time than you do just practicing with a team in a bet
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In a message dated 9/19/2002 10:03:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
larkho@ghgcorp.com writes:
> You betcha. FIFA got lucky this one single time, and put us in exactly
> the right spot. I'm definitely not defending the ranking system as a
> whole, just that we are indeed the 8th best team in the world.
There are several million people in Europe who would disagree with you. But
thanks, I needed good giggle after a tough day. I think WC euphoria has
gotten into your head. No way we are the 8th best team in the world.
>
> Likewise, after WC98, we were overrated by the FIFA rankings. I just
> think it's strange that in this case, the USA placed 8th in BOTH the
> World Cup, and in the FIFA rankings--what objective evidence is there to
> the contrary?
I guess I didn't explain it well enough in my last email.
FIFA Ranking = Best team overall
WC Championship = Best team over 7 games
What if we had not finished 8th? What if we finished first? Would we be the
best team in the world? Wait...I know your answer. "You betcha!"
Let me try to argue this another way. If we played Brazil, current world
champions, and we beat them, would be now be considered the best in the
world? I mean, in your world a stretch of seven games is more indicative of
quality than a year's worth of results. So why wouldn't one game be just as
valid?
Of course it wouldn't, because maybe Brazil had a bad day. Well, France had
a bad tournament, much because they lost a key player. So should they now
have the rank of 32nd in the world?
>
> It obviously all depends on what you want any ranking system to
> rank--current quality vs. long-term quality. But it is utterly
> incomprehensible to me that if Turkey, for example, had won the World
> Cup, that many of y'all could with a straight face say the next day that
> they're not the best team in the world.
Consider us both incomprehensibled. It completely escapes me how you can
come to the conclusion that you did.
I'm > saying
> this simply because we are still in the immediate wake of the World Cup
> (you know, what used to be called the Football World Championship
> because it determined the World Champions).
Oh...is that what it does?
It determines the best team OVER A LIMITED STRETCH OF GAMES. The shorter
your stretch of games, the more likely that "the weird" will happen (i.e.
Zidane injury).
KNOCK...KNOCK...KNOCK...is this thing on?
Darrin
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/19/2002 10:03:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, larkho@ghgcorp.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You betcha. FIFA got lucky this one single time, and put us in exactly <BR>
the right spot. I'm definitely not defending the ranking system as a <BR>
whole, just that we are indeed the 8th best team in the world.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">There are several million people in Europe who would disagree with you. But thanks, I needed good giggle after a tough day. I think WC euphoria has gotten into your head. No way we are the 8th best team in the world.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
Likewise, after WC98, we were overrated by the FIFA rankings. I just <BR>
think it's strange that in this case, the USA placed 8th in BOTH the <BR>
World Cup, and in the FIFA rankings--what objective evidence is there to <BR>
the contrary?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I guess I didn't explain it well enough in my last email. <BR>
<BR>
FIFA Ranking = Best team overall<BR>
WC Championship = Best team over 7 games<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
What if we had not finished 8th? What if we finished first? Would we be the best team in the world? Wait...I know your answer. "You betcha!"<BR>
<BR>
Let me try to argue this another way. If we played Brazil, current world champions, and we beat them, would be now be considered the best in the world? I mean, in your world a stretch of seven games is more indicative of quality than a year's worth of results. So why wouldn't one game be just as valid? <BR>
<BR>
Of course it wouldn't, because maybe Brazil had a bad day. Well, France had a bad tournament, much because they lost a key player. So should they now have the rank of 32nd in the world?<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
It obviously all depends on what you want any ranking system to <BR>
rank--current quality vs. long-term quality. But it is utterly <BR>
incomprehensible to me that if Turkey, for example, had won the World <BR>
Cup, that many of y'all could with a straight face say the next day that <BR>
they're not the best team in the world.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Consider us both incomprehensibled. It completely escapes me how you can come to the conclusion that you did.<BR>
<BR>
I'm <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> saying <BR>
this simply because we are still in the immediate wake of the World Cup <BR>
(you know, what used to be called the Football World Championship <BR>
because it determined the World Champions).</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BR>
Oh...is that what it does? <BR>
<BR>
It determines the best team OVER A LIMITED STRETCH OF GAMES. The shorter your stretch of games, the more likely that "the weird" will happen (i.e. Zidane injury). <BR>
<BR>
KNOCK...KNOCK...KNOCK...is this thing on?<BR>
<BR>
Darrin</FONT></HTML>
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First off -- apologies that I can't integrate my responses to the actual =
quote (my email prgram sucks).
Re: (1) -- name me 10 players who aren't playing in MLS because of =
players with green cards? Heck, name me one. Go by the Seattle =
Sounders or Rochester Rhinos -- if there really is this big issue out =
there, then surely on the two best teams in the A-League (genrally, =
anyway) there is a player or two who has lost their job to a green =
carded player... right?
So let me anticipate your answer a bit -- I think it is safe to say that =
there is not a real large concern, even in Dallas.
To compare where MLS is now to the NASL is more than a bit of a stretch, =
don't you think? Even in Bruce's 'worst nightmare' of Dallas, over half =
the main players are US players.
Re:(2) -- if you want to develop potential, they have to play with =
players who know the game. Even if you have all of the best USians come =
over, you still need more players who know the game and how to be =
professionals to make it work.
And quite frankly, to get cheesed off at someone because they buy into =
America enough to get a green card is a slap in the face. I can tell =
you that Eddie Johnson and Ryan Suarez are going to be much better =
players because of Oscar Pareja -- so yeah, how much he loves his team =
IS important. And I think the same will apply to Jordan Stone. And if =
you don't know those names, then maybe you might want to look into the =
details of the potential that you want to develop.
Re: (3) -- name them. More to the point, name the ones who are having =
their growth stunted. And as someone who has watched Eddie Johnson =
develop very slowly -- partly because he was 17 when he joined the team, =
through no fault of his own except because he is damn talented -- I =
think it is also smart that he had to earn his spot. And funny this, by =
taking it from another US player, Bobby Rhine. (Cerritos' contributions =
to this season are mostly letting us get rid of Ariel so that Jason can =
be the player he was and a handful of starts, all enhanced by a great =
example of professionalism that I hope Eddie took careful notes of.)
Let's take another example -- DMB. A great MLS player now, obviously =
one with talent worth of the MNT. But when he started in MLS, he was as =
immature as they come. Again, not through any fault of his own -- the =
guy was young. Unfortunately for LA, they traded him right before he =
came into his own. But do you think that DMB would be half the player =
he is now without Hristo and Peter?
Sure, pt is important. But so is developing talent at the right pace. =
It was good to see Bobby Convey score tonight (from a USian point of =
view -- certainly not from a Burn point of view) because since he joined =
the league and had a modicom of success early on, he has basically been =
non-existant. I am sure that was real good for his development.
How many US players litter the landscape having been the "next great US =
soccer hope?" Claudio almost succumed to it. Luckily, Landon didn't, =
and hopefully he has enough of a supporting cast that he doesn't (he is =
still real young).
And no, Landon wouldn't be half the player he was if it weren't for two =
things -- San Jose's MLS season in 2001 and the time he got with the MNT =
in 2002. Keep in mind, the difference between the Landon who played in =
Korea in 12-01 was nothing compared to the Landon that played in Suwon =
and Jeonju in 6-02. I have no doubt that pt is important.
But so is the right leadership. I think the images that will stick with =
me most will be the bookends of the US games -- Earnie and Landon. Once =
before the Portugal match and once after the Germany match. And funny =
that, Earnie isn't exactly 100% American, is he?
My point? First, yes, I take exception to Bruce calling Dallas out as a =
bad example of anything. We're not the best team in MLS, but we haven't =
missed the playoffs -- ever -- and have a championship to our name. =
We're better than half the league this year and players like Oscar and =
Zarco are key components of that. And yes, the Burn look to do quite a =
bit of developing talent over the next two to five years.
But the reason why I put this also on NAS is that I think it is very =
short-sighted of Bruce. Let me rephrase something -- where exactly did =
the US get Carlos Llamosa? Could it have been through a green card? =
And while Diego Gutierrez has yet to make a serious dent in the US =
player pool, he isn't a slouch, either. And I think it is also safe to =
say that many an MLS right wing and many an MLS forward have been =
bettered by playing against him. (I wish I could raise the issue of =
Chris Armas with some authority, but I don't know if he carried a green =
card although I know he had that issue with playing for Colombia in an =
unsanctioned youth tournament.)
So until you have a group of US players -- at least one per team -- who =
aren't getting pt because of too many green card players, I think Bruce =
is being short sighted.
And yes, I do think that the divide between the middle-class, usually =
white-folk players and the foreign-born players is an issue that the Fed =
and MLS will have to address. Your example of Landon is a perfect one =
here. If you know Landon like a Qlash fan should, then you know he =
learned Spanish by playing with Hispanic players, not in a classroom or =
from family. I think it is safe to say that a good bit of his playing =
style comes from that same education group. Why do you think his vision =
is so sharp? Why do you think the mental side of his game is so far =
ahead of so many US players?
And so I am worried about it as a fan of the US team. We need players =
like Marcelo Balboa, Tab Ramos, Claudio Reyna, Landon Donovan, Carlos =
Llamosa, DMB, etc. -- players who were either not born in the US or were =
influenced by players who weren't born in the US. By saying what he =
did, Bruce is either (A) showing his bias against Dallas, or (B) showing =
a bias against non-US-born players. The former, while if true is =
frustrating to a fan of that particular team, is no real big deal -- =
every NT coach has teams they like and teams they don't. The latter, =
though, worries me deeply because it belies a limiting attitude about =
player who in some situations will help the team directly, and others =
indirectly. Once again, Carlos Llamosa.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Casbahman@aol.com=20
(1) Sheesh. What's with the prejudice-jibe you are laying on Bruce? I =
thought he made a good point. The more green-carded players taking jobs =
in MLS, the less there are for players who could develop into U.S. =
national teamers. One of the problems with the NASL is that you had so =
few americans getting playing time. Yes, there is no current national =
teammer not getting playing time because of a green-carded player, but =
that isn't his point. He's worried about players with potential.
(2) He doesn't need to be concerned about the level of MLS play nor =
how much some Dallas dude loves his team. His concern, as *national =
team coach*, is to identify and help develop talented players for the =
U.S. player pool.
(3) If a USian is riding the pine because a green-carded player is in =
the spot, his development will be stunted. It is the equivalent of an =
Eddie Lewis going over seas and riding the pine for Fulham. You develop =
more by getting pla! ying time than you do just practicing with a team =
in a bet ter league. Where would Donovan be if he stayed in Germany? =
Not on the WC team, imo.
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<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
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than a bit of a stretch, don't you think? Even in Bruce's 'worst=20
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players.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Re:(2) -- if you want to develop =
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<DIV> </DIV>
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want to=20
look into the details of the potential that you want to =
develop.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Re: (3) -- name them. More to the =
point, name=20
the ones who are having their growth stunted. And as someone who =
has=20
watched Eddie Johnson develop very slowly -- partly because he was 17 =
when he=20
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talented=20
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funny this,=20
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be the=20
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of=20
professionalism that I hope Eddie took careful notes of.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let's take another example -- =
DMB. A great=20
MLS player now, obviously one with talent worth of the MNT. But =
when he=20
started in MLS, he was as immature as they come. Again, not =
through any=20
fault of his own -- the guy was young. Unfortunately for LA, they =
traded=20
him right before he came into his own. But do you think that DMB =
would be=20
half the player he is now without Hristo and Peter?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sure, pt is important. But so is =
developing=20
talent at the right pace. It was good to see Bobby Convey score =
tonight=20
(from a USian point of view -- certainly not from a Burn point of view) =
because=20
since he joined the league and had a modicom of success early on, he has =
basically been non-existant. I am sure that was real good for his=20
development.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How many US players litter the =
landscape having=20
been the "next great US soccer hope?" Claudio almost succumed to =
it. =20
Luckily, Landon didn't, and hopefully he has enough of a supporting cast =
that he=20
doesn't (he is still real young).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And no, Landon wouldn't be half the =
player he was=20
if it weren't for two things -- San Jose's MLS season in 2001 and the =
time he=20
got with the MNT in 2002. Keep in mind, the difference between the =
Landon=20
who played in Korea in 12-01 was nothing compared to the Landon that =
played in=20
Suwon and Jeonju in 6-02. I have no doubt that pt is=20
important.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But so is the right leadership. I =
think the=20
images that will stick with me most will be the bookends of the US games =
--=20
Earnie and Landon. Once before the Portugal match and once after =
the=20
Germany match. And funny that, Earnie isn't exactly 100% American, =
is=20
he?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My point? First, yes, I take =
exception to=20
Bruce calling Dallas out as a bad example of anything. We're not =
the best=20
team in MLS, but we haven't missed the playoffs -- ever -- and have a=20
championship to our name. We're better than half the league this =
year and=20
players like Oscar and Zarco are key components of that. And yes, =
the Burn=20
look to do quite a bit of developing talent over the next two to five=20
years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But the reason why I put this also on =
NAS is that I=20
think it is very short-sighted of Bruce. Let me rephrase something =
--=20
where exactly did the US get Carlos Llamosa? Could it have been =
through a=20
green card? And while Diego Gutierrez has yet to make a serious =
dent in=20
the US player pool, he isn't a slouch, either. And I think it is =
also safe=20
to say that many an MLS right wing and many an MLS forward have been =
bettered by=20
playing against him. (I wish I could raise the issue of Chris =
Armas with=20
some authority, but I don't know if he carried a green card although I =
know he=20
had that issue with playing for Colombia in an unsanctioned youth=20
tournament.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So until you have a group of US players =
-- at least=20
one per team -- who aren't getting pt because of too many green card =
players, I=20
think Bruce is being short sighted.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And yes, I do think that the divide =
between the=20
middle-class, usually white-folk players and the foreign-born players is =
an=20
issue that the Fed and MLS will have to address. Your example of =
Landon is=20
a perfect one here. If you know Landon like a Qlash fan should, =
then you=20
know he learned Spanish by playing with Hispanic players, not in a =
classroom or=20
from family. I think it is safe to say that a good bit of his =
playing=20
style comes from that same education group. Why do you think his =
vision is=20
so sharp? Why do you think the mental side of his game is so far =
ahead of=20
so many US players?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And so I am worried about it as a fan =
of the US=20
team. We need players like Marcelo Balboa, Tab Ramos, Claudio =
Reyna,=20
Landon Donovan, Carlos Llamosa, DMB, etc. -- players who were either not =
born in=20
the US or were influenced by players who weren't born in the US. =
By saying=20
what he did, Bruce is either (A) showing his bias against Dallas, or (B) =
showing=20
a bias against non-US-born players. The former, while if true is=20
frustrating to a fan of that particular team, is no real big deal -- =
every NT=20
coach has teams they like and teams they don't. The latter, =
though,=20
worries me deeply because it belies a limiting attitude about player who =
in some=20
situations will help the team directly, and others indirectly. =
Once again,=20
Carlos Llamosa.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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<A href=3D"mailto:Casbahman@aol.com"=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2><BR>(1) Sheesh. =
What's with=20
the prejudice-jibe you are laying on Bruce? I thought he made a good=20
point. The more green-carded players taking jobs in MLS, the =
less there=20
are for players who could develop into U.S. national teamers. =
One of the=20
problems with the NASL is that you had so few americans getting =
playing=20
time. Yes, there is no current national teammer not getting =
playing time=20
because of a green-carded player, but that isn't his point. He's =
worried=20
about players with potential.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>(2) He doesn't =
need to be=20
concerned about the level of MLS play nor how much some Dallas dude =
loves his=20
team. His concern, as *national team coach*, is to identify and =
help=20
develop talented players for the U.S. player pool.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>(3) If a USian =
is riding=20
the pine because a green-carded player is in the spot, his development =
will be=20
stunted. It is the equivalent of an Eddie Lewis going over seas =
and=20
riding the pine for Fulham. You develop more by getting pla! =
ying time=20
than you do just practicing with a team in a bet ter league. =
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Because the NJSEA does not care one bit about the MetroStars, and booked the
Rolling Stones fo an entire month, the Metros have been forced to plans for
an alternate site incase they make the playoffs. The Metros will play in
Newarks Riverfront Stadium, a minor league baseball stadium. I am not 100%
sure of the attendance but will say off hand that it is 10,000 max!
Ed
"There's nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" -
Shakespeare
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"Men are not disturbed by things, but by the view they take of
them."
Epictetus (The Enchiridion)
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"For as he thinks within himself, so he is" Book of Proverbs (23: 7)
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SJ fans got some vindication from the league. Against the Crew recently,
Donovan was taken down from behind on a clear goal scoring opportunity. The
defender only got a yellow. According to the following link:
http://www.mlsnet.com/content/02/mls0919denial.html
...the league basically says that the ref should have given red.
On a related note, Troy Dayak was on a KNBR sports talk show today and he
stated that the Head of Refs talked to Yallop over the phone, stating that
the refs blew the call which allowed Ruiz to score from an offsides position
in injury time of the Galaxy 1-0 win over the Quakes. Further, Troy stated
that the Head of Refs was "mortified" (I think that was the word) and the ref
who blew the call was suspended. He did not state whether it was the center
ref or the linesman who was suspended. I suspect it would be the linesman.
Oh, and when Rick Barry, the interviewer, asked Troy about the upcoming
Galaxy/Quake rematch, Troy said,"I hate those guys....We're gonna have to
tattoo our quake logo all over them." Troy, yer my hero....
Ticket sales for the Quakes final game of the season are approaching 20,000.
Yes, us northern Californians love to hate LA.
Darrin
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In a message dated 9/19/2002 11:17:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
klindstr@flash.net writes:
> Re: (1) -- name me 10 players who aren't playing in MLS because of players
> with green cards? Heck, name me one. Go by the Seattle Sounders or
> Rochester Rhinos -- if there really is this big issue out there, then
> surely on the two best teams in the A-League (genrally, anyway) there is a
> player or two who has lost their job to a green carded player... right?
I don't profess any knowledge of the A-League nor its players so I can't
answer the question. I don't know that it is neceessary though. The bottom
line is that actual game time in the best league you can possibly play in is
the best way to develop. You can't deny that a league with 10 green-carded
players takes 10 spots away from players with potential to play on the US
team. Take a bubble player like Eddie Lewis. When Eddie arrived in MLS, he
was all speed and little talent. Gametime gave him his opportunity. Would
he have made the Clash roster, let alone get any playing time if the Clash
had 3 or 4 green-carded players? Without the opportunity, we may never have
seen the beautiful cross to Donovan for the second goal against Mexico. Now
he is languishing in England while riding the bench. Being surrounded by all
that talent isn't exactly helping his development is it?
> To compare where MLS is now to the NASL is more than a bit of a stretch,
> don't you think?
I wasn't really comparing, simply pointing out that the NASL did not give
american players the chance to develop. I was only 14 when the league folded
but it didn't seem that the NASL's priority was developing US talent. MLS
has acknowledged that it is important
> Re:(2) -- if you want to develop potential, they have to play with players
> who know the game. Even if you have all of the best USians come over, you
> still need more players who know the game and how to be professionals to
> make it work.
Agreed. But how many of these superior foreign players are needed to make
that impact? Is three enough? What about 5?
Now, here I will use the NASL. Didn't the NASL require at least 5 US players
on each roster? Why don't we do that? 5 US players, the rest SIs and
green-carders. Certainly those 5 will be saturated with the knowledge from
all of that talent, right? Think of the quality of the US player pool then!
We might win the WC.
I'm being a smart ass but you get my point, right? According to your logic,
we should put a minimum of US players and fill the rosters with other
seasoned foreign talent.
If I had to come up with a crude number, I would say have no more than 5
players per team (whatever combination of green carders & SIs) and have the
rest be US Nat eligible. I think that is adequate in order to have enough
playing time for USians to develop while also absorbing soccer knowledge from
foreign players.
> And quite frankly, to get cheesed off at someone because they buy into
> America enough to get a green card is a slap in the face.
DUDE! Get a grip. This is the whole quote from the article:"The green-card
ruling is not in the best interests of the national team. Look at Dallas. How
many of those guys are Americans? But that's life."
Where the hell does it say he is anti-immigrant? That is what you are
intimating. His commentary was directly soccer related. Stop reading
prejudistic sentiments into it. Christ. You seem like you want to put him
on trial for a hate crime for crying out loud.
> Let's take another example -- DMB. A great MLS player now, obviously one
> with talent worth of the MNT. But when he started in MLS, he was as
> immature as they come. Again, not through any fault of his own -- the guy
> was young. Unfortunately for LA, they traded him right before he came into
> his own. But do you think that DMB would be half the player he is now
> without Hristo and Peter?
Yea, couldn't be the influence of the coach, eh? Or any number of players.
You might as well say Richard Mulrooney is the player he is today because
Khodedad Azizi was on the team. They may be related to DMB's development,
they may not.
> Sure, pt is important. But so is developing talent at the right pace. It
> was good to see Bobby Convey score tonight (from a USian point of view --
> certainly not from a Burn point of view) because since he joined the league
> and had a modicom of success early on, he has basically been non-existant.
> I am sure that was real good for his development.
Huh? Since he has playing time but has not developed, that proves your
point? You are reaching, really. Where was the miraculous teachings of
Etcheverry & Moreno? I could just as easily, and just as ludicrously, use
Bobby Convey to prove that foreign talent does not help develop US talent.
That argument would be ludicrous because there is no way I can quantify the
impact of Etcheverry or Moreno on Convey. Don't let facts get in the way of
your argument though....
> But so is the right leadership. I think the images that will stick with me
> most will be the bookends of the US games -- Earnie and Landon. Once
> before the Portugal match and once after the Germany match. And funny
> that, Earnie isn't exactly 100% American, is he?
So now Landon was the WC player that he was due to Earnie & the fact that
Earnie isn't 100% American?
I give up.
My point is that there is a balance. You have to nurture talent with good
coaching, good mentoring, (be it foreign or domestic) and playing time.
Bruce questioned the balance in MLS with one simple statement. Then you
intimate racist, or at least anti-foreigner tendencies in Bruce.
Uncalled for and unfounded.
> And yes, I do think that the divide between the middle-class, usually
> white-folk players and the foreign-born players is an issue that the Fed
> and MLS will have to address.
And this has to do with what in our discussion?
Your example of Landon is a perfect one here. If you know Landon like a
Qlash
> fan should, then you know he learned Spanish by playing with Hispanic
> players, not in a classroom or from family.
Dude, you are on your soapbox and there is no stopping you now so I'm not
going to try.
I think it is safe to say that a good bit of his playing style comes from
that same
> education group. Why do you think his vision is so sharp? Why do you think
> the mental side of his game is so far ahead of so many US players?
Well, if you knew Landon like us Qlash fans do, you would know that he thinks
his vision is because his dad was a hockey player and had excellent vision.
But then, I guess you are right because in reality, Landon is a
"middle-class, usually white-folk player" who doesn't appreciate all that his
latin brothers have taught him. His is in "middle-class, usually white-folk
player" denial.
I'm glad I'm married to a Mexican. Otherwise, after your argument, I might
feel guilty for being white.
Darrin
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/19/2002 11:17:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, klindstr@flash.net writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Re: (1) -- name me 10 players who aren't playing in MLS because of players with green cards? Heck, name me one. Go by the Seattle Sounders or Rochester Rhinos -- if there really is this big issue out there, then surely on the two best teams in the A-League (genrally, anyway) there is a player or two who has lost their job to a green carded player... right?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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I don't profess any knowledge of the A-League nor its players so I can't answer the question. I don't know that it is neceessary though. The bottom line is that actual game time in the best league you can possibly play in is the best way to develop. You can't deny that a league with 10 green-carded players takes 10 spots away from players with potential to play on the US team. Take a bubble player like Eddie Lewis. When Eddie arrived in MLS, he was all speed and little talent. Gametime gave him his opportunity. Would he have made the Clash roster, let alone get any playing time if the Clash had 3 or 4 green-carded players? Without the opportunity, we may never have seen the beautiful cross to Donovan for the second goal against Mexico. Now he is languishing in England while riding the bench. Being surrounded by all that talent isn't exactly helping his development is it?<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">To compare where MLS is now to the NASL is more than a bit of a stretch, don't you think?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I wasn't really comparing, simply pointing out that the NASL did not give american players the chance to develop. I was only 14 when the league folded but it didn't seem that the NASL's priority was developing US talent. MLS has acknowledged that it is important<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Re:(2) -- if you want to develop potential, they have to play with players who know the game. Even if you have all of the best USians come over, you still need more players who know the game and how to be professionals to make it work.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Agreed. But how many of these superior foreign players are needed to make that impact? Is three enough? What about 5?<BR>
<BR>
Now, here I will use the NASL. Didn't the NASL require at least 5 US players on each roster? Why don't we do that? 5 US players, the rest SIs and green-carders. Certainly those 5 will be saturated with the knowledge from all of that talent, right? Think of the quality of the US player pool then! We might win the WC.<BR>
<BR>
I'm being a smart ass but you get my point, right? According to your logic, we should put a minimum of US players and fill the rosters with other seasoned foreign talent.<BR>
<BR>
If I had to come up with a crude number, I would say have no more than 5 players per team (whatever combination of green carders & SIs) and have the rest be US Nat eligible. I think that is adequate in order to have enough playing time for USians to develop while also absorbing soccer knowledge from foreign players.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And quite frankly, to get cheesed off at someone because they buy into America enough to get a green card is a slap in the face.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">DUDE! Get a grip. This is the whole quote from the article:"The green-card ruling is not in the best interests of the national team. Look at Dallas. How many of those guys are Americans? But that's life." <BR>
<BR>
Where the hell does it say he is anti-immigrant? That is what you are intimating. His commentary was directly soccer related. Stop reading prejudistic sentiments into it. Christ. You seem like you want to put him on trial for a hate crime for crying out loud.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Let's take another example -- DMB. A great MLS player now, obviously one with talent worth of the MNT. But when he started in MLS, he was as immature as they come. Again, not through any fault of his own -- the guy was young. Unfortunately for LA, they traded him right before he came into his own. But do you think that DMB would be half the player he is now without Hristo and Peter?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Yea, couldn't be the influence of the coach, eh? Or any number of players. You might as well say Richard Mulrooney is the player he is today because Khodedad Azizi was on the team. They may be related to DMB's development, they may not.<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sure, pt is important. But so is developing talent at the right pace. It was good to see Bobby Convey score tonight (from a USian point of view -- certainly not from a Burn point of view) because since he joined the league and had a modicom of success early on, he has basically been non-existant. I am sure that was real good for his development.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Huh? Since he has playing time but has not developed, that proves your point? You are reaching, really. Where was the miraculous teachings of Etcheverry & Moreno? I could just as easily, and just as ludicrously, use Bobby Convey to prove that foreign talent does not help develop US talent. That argument would be ludicrous because there is no way I can quantify the impact of Etcheverry or Moreno on Convey. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument though....<BR>
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<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But so is the right leadership. I think the images that will stick with me most will be the bookends of the US games -- Earnie and Landon. Once before the Portugal match and once after the Germany match. And funny that, Earnie isn't exactly 100% American, is he?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">So now Landon was the WC player that he was due to Earnie & the fact that Earnie isn't 100% American? <BR>
<BR>
I give up.<BR>
<BR>
My point is that there is a balance. You have to nurture talent with good coaching, good mentoring, (be it foreign or domestic) and playing time. Bruce questioned the balance in MLS with one simple statement. Then you intimate racist, or at least anti-foreigner tendencies in Bruce. <BR>
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Uncalled for and unfounded. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And yes, I do think that the divide between the middle-class, usually white-folk players and the foreign-born players is an issue that the Fed and MLS will have to address.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">And this has to do with what in our discussion?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Your example of Landon is a perfect one here. If you know Landon like a Qlash </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">fan should, then you know he learned Spanish by playing with Hispanic players, not in a classroom or from family.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Dude, you are on your soapbox and there is no stopping you now so I'm not going to try.<BR>
<BR>
I think it is safe to say that a good bit of his playing style comes from that same </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">education group. Why do you think his vision is so sharp? Why do you think the mental side of his game is so far ahead of so many US players?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Well, if you knew Landon like us Qlash fans do, you would know that he thinks his vision is because his dad was a hockey player and had excellent vision. But then, I guess you are right because in reality, Landon is a "middle-class, usually white-folk player" who doesn't appreciate all that his latin brothers have taught him. His is in "middle-class, usually white-folk player" denial. <BR>
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I'm glad I'm married to a Mexican. Otherwise, after your argument, I might feel guilty for being white.<BR>
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Darrin<BR>
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In a message dated Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrmoore01@prodigy.net writes:
> God what tripe.
>
I agree the guy shouldn't have written with such a negative tone but what do you have against tripe? Have you never enjoyed a good bowl of menudo, especially after a hard night of drinking?
Ed :-)
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From: Keith Bundy <kdaleb@wsu.edu>
Subject: Re: [nas] US Men rise to eighth inthe world in latest FIFA rankings
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Are you saying that Wales would consistently beat us or that they might get a result
against us? I wasn't saying the rankings were that accurate, just that since FIFA uses
them as part of the seeding process at World Cups, they might actually help us get one
of eight seeds in Germany, and avoid the likes of Germany, Brazil, and Argentina in
group play. From the viewpoint of an American homer, I don't care if the rankings are
rank, as long as they benefit the good ol' USA.
:-)
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From: <mrmoore01@prodigy.net>
Let's not get ahead of ourselves....
anyone think Wales is some kind of rollover?
I think Wales could give us all we want and would
not really surprise me if they got a result against
us- yet- they